# Updated Mab in PvP graphs **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [May 27, 2016, 7:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504 "2016-05-27T07:29:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/262 "2016-06-15T18:59:31Z")
You first šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/263 "2016-06-15T19:00:10Z")
If 1000 players see 100 players 100 player switch to say a daemon based deck like sheep they might follow or like donkeys they might not. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/264 "2016-06-15T19:00:49Z")
That would run counter to my stated goal of raising your blood pressure. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/265 "2016-06-15T19:02:18Z")
> [@Jainus](#): > > And the other hundred high level players that I get matched to invade that arenā€™t on the forum wonā€™t do it You clearly underestimate how much what is posted here influences what players field. Do you think all the people fielding Maw against you do that because they feel it is the best defense? How would they even make that assessment seeing as Maw defense win% is only marginally if at all higher than the win% of any mildly thought through random defense. No they field these teams because inflammatory forum threads praise them to be something incredibly strong, or because they see them fielded by high level players. You might be right, it could be too late to put the Mawnie back in its bottle without presenting the herd the next best hyped up thing, but donā€™t disregard the fact that this herd just followed what has been hyped up in the first place, regardless of whether they read it here on the forums or saw it in the top players defenses. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/266 "2016-06-15T19:06:56Z")
Letā€™s just hype wildfolk teams and be done with it, they one shot maw with 2 of their creatures and have 2 sets of bonuses. One of those that can 1 shot maw can not be targeted by his spell and after maw eats it can 2 shot the beast. Rakshanin and black panther i choose you! Also one of the beasts can silence maw or whatever in the first spot making the team at least desent. Also i think rak comes with fast though i wish it had empowered instead. ---
**Author:** ![Koolbiird](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/koolbiird/32/5099_2.png) [@Koolbiird](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Koolbiird)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/267 "2016-06-15T19:08:08Z")
Wild Fang one shots them and True Damage teams would have a field day. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/268 "2016-06-15T19:09:44Z")
There you go now to hype the ever living sh/t out of it and hopefully the meta will change to be more interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/269 "2016-06-15T19:14:57Z")
Nahā€¦ I think only a small proportion of top tier players are reading these forumsā€¦ And most will be smart enough to realise that (1) they hate the coin toss of fighting a maw/mercy team, so putting it on defence may scare people off, and/or (2) for top tier players the only way you can possibly lose an invade is if maw rngmunches you and weā€™re inventivised to try to win defences for pointsā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/270 "2016-06-15T19:19:47Z")
Yup. So where from here? Players will field as defenses those teams that defeated their invades. Either such a team exists (Maw currently) or it does not. There will be no variety unless Maw is nerfed to the point where every 1%er wins every invade, or something else is buffed to be just as ā€œannoying.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/271 "2016-06-15T19:28:22Z")
Now if we could see what team it was that defeated us, that might make the meta change a little more often. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/272 "2016-06-15T19:29:43Z")
Maybe, but what makes a good offense does not often make a good defense, because most successful offenses require forethought, which the AI is not blessed with. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/273 "2016-06-15T20:10:14Z")
No, but what I meant was if we could see what their offense was we could plan a defense around it. Especially if we start seeing a lot of similar offenses. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/274 "2016-06-15T20:13:56Z")
Fair enough, though by changing your defense, the invaders will probably change offense. Still, I recall the devs saying weā€™d be able to see the invasion team come 2.0ā€¦maybe they changed their minds? ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/275 "2016-06-15T20:24:11Z")
I thought I remembered seeing that too. ---
**Author:** ![Spherix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/spherix/32/2388_2.png) [@Spherix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Spherix)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/276 "2016-06-16T02:55:57Z")
Players constantly running from a meta, rather than converging on one, sounds like it would stimulate a lot more variety. I think Iā€™m [repeating myself](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/182), however. ---
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/277 "2016-06-16T03:04:11Z")
@Spherix How do you do that? Where you highlight a refrence that links to another part of the forum? ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/278 "2016-06-16T03:05:39Z")
Iā€™m guessing itā€™s the ā€œInsert Hyperlinkā€ button in the reply post dialogā€¦ like [THIS!](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/277) (Using the usual ā€œshare a link to this postā€ button to get the link required) ---
**Author:** ![Spherix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/spherix/32/2388_2.png) [@Spherix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Spherix)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/279 "2016-06-16T03:07:35Z")
Itā€™s just a hyperlink. You can get a link to any post by clicking the little chain link icon next to the ā€œLikeā€ button. You can insert it as a hyperlink in a post by clicking the same icon above the composition window. You can either type in the text you want under ā€œoptional titleā€, or you can type the text first, highlight it, then click the hyperlink button. ---
**Author:** ![Spherix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/spherix/32/2388_2.png) [@Spherix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Spherix)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/280 "2016-06-16T03:15:24Z")
Not by 2.0, but maybe a patch or two later, as far as I can find: > [@Defending with a strong teams : is it worth it?](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/defending-with-a-strong-teams-is-it-worth-it/1604/49): > > this suggestion is good and simple(compared to the replay thingy players have come up with earlier), no replay is needed, just a little window that show us what team that has beaten us. > [@Defending with a strong teams : is it worth it?](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/defending-with-a-strong-teams-is-it-worth-it/1604/51): > > Good suggestionā€¦ I donā€™t think we have time to get it in for 2.0, but itā€™s definitely something we could look at for the following update (or the one after that maybeā€¦ 2.1 is Guilds, and itā€™s a BIG one) ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/281 "2016-06-16T03:22:55Z")
Oh, there ya go. I guess my memory betrayed me on that oneā€¦ Thanks for the clarification! [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504.md?page=13) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504.md?page=15)