# Troop nerf =refund. Gem nerf = VIP refund?

**URL:** <https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753>\
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\
**Created:** [September 4, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753 "2017-09-04T17:08:23Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![Venar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/venar/32/36634_2.png) [@Venar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Venar)\
**Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 11:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/41 "2017-09-04T23:12:15Z")

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Yes, enough about gems, more about chests.  
The frustration here is that _we can’t open as many VIP chest because we get less gems and gems are used in more places_ .  
So those who put in the extra $$ to reach the VIP chests are miffed.

So, give VIP some VIP keys.  
Or a VIP Forge option to craft VIP keys with other keys.  
Maybe 150 regular keys +50 Glory Keys = 1 VIP key…

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**Author:** ![Rojo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9dc877/32.png) [@Rojo1](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rojo1)\
**Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/42 "2017-09-04T23:25:11Z")

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I like my idea better! 🙂

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**Author:** ![Crow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/crow/32/44074_2.png) [@Crow](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Crow)\
**Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/43 "2017-09-04T23:39:36Z")

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i had to make this 😃

 ![Gemde](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/e/3/e32323f6f6a45440386fe9ae020a143ff19f3469.jpg)

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**Author:** ![Delinquent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Delinquent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Delinquent)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/44 "2017-09-05T00:46:50Z")

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I don’t think their math is bad actually. If you convert gems to gem keys on a 9/10:1 basis I bet the math backs out pretty well. I can’t imagine they just made up the math. The issue is the _implied_ value of 10 gems versus a Gem Key specifically when you’re VIP 5+.

For most of us, it really make very little difference either way. As a VIP 3, all my gems go to gem keys, so I’m feeling no pain in that respect. It’s the VIP 5+ that are feeling the pain.

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**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/45 "2017-09-05T00:51:50Z")

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I was responding to @Eika that I personally thought the was ZERO misunderstanding between the developers and the publisher: and its obvious there was no misunderstanding. I was speculating/hoping that Removing ALL Gems from LT might have been a mistake, it was not.

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