# Troop nerf =refund. Gem nerf = VIP refund? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [September 4, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753 "2017-09-04T17:08:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/21 "2017-09-04T21:37:31Z")
Not sure where you get naive trusting from… But boy were they naive when they first nerfed guild tasks and introduced legendary tasks as compensation, little knowing how we’d abuse them too lol ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/22 "2017-09-04T21:44:16Z")
> [@UKresistance](#): > > But boy Dont you call Beanie a boy that is an instant insult. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Whiskeyjack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/whiskeyjack/32/65850_2.png) [@Whiskeyjack](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Whiskeyjack)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/23 "2017-09-04T22:02:23Z")
I wonder if the Devs are sitting on their hands, wishing they could tell us “sorry guys, the publishers made us do it and contractually we can’t do otherwise because they control all the commercial elements of the game” but not being able to because it would ruin the partnership? Edit: still doesn’t explain why the patch notes didn’t just tell us the truth… Edit edit: also, when Lyya - the voice of reason, huge advocate of the game and generally the most upstanding forum member and probably the biggest contributor to the community - says that they’ve messed up… You **know** they messed up ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/24 "2017-09-04T22:04:21Z")
Some information in the patch notes that was created by Sirrian might have been a misunderstanding from what the publishers wanted. I dont know, but there might be a reason behind. ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/25 "2017-09-04T22:11:19Z")
What are you implying? I know what you’re infering ; and boy are you in trouble for your grammatical confusion! ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/26 "2017-09-04T22:13:51Z")
![musehale](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/5/359865c261b09a607c1dafec7099c2ea151cdb3f.gif) I once called an old english man for boy, I am lucky I am alive today. ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/27 "2017-09-04T22:15:21Z")
Boy do you get confused easily! ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/28 "2017-09-04T22:16:18Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > Sirrian might have been a misunderstanding from what the publishers wanted. Developers write the code, Publishers do not. However, the publisher probably “helps” to direct and gives final approval in relation to game economy decisions. ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/29 "2017-09-04T22:17:22Z")
Publishers solicit shoddy google translate for russian localisation… ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/30 "2017-09-04T22:17:25Z")
Still there is room for misunderstandings. ---
**Author:** ![Nephilim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nephilim/32/29092_2.png) [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/31 "2017-09-04T22:19:01Z")
![944214116-78D754C48B1037492003283619840_1a7fa5986fe_4_7_12345025398589618124_mp4_mjq5qq1D3tm5_2Z20McQ7Mcn3Hjd7fFV_sl2IH7OgKSTpUWMldzqbtZuPXxUgNyf](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/9/7/97ea66a77bb461a5b542f0ccf2955949cfa223aa.jpg) Enough talk about boys! ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/32 "2017-09-04T22:19:30Z")
I don’t think there was _ **any** _ misunderstanding between the two parties. At best we can hope there was a minor bug or mistake in the 16% Math for TLs. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/33 "2017-09-04T22:20:21Z")
I think it might have been a misunderstanding between the two parties. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/34 "2017-09-04T22:21:50Z")
haha, classic! 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Nephilim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nephilim/32/29092_2.png) [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/35 "2017-09-04T22:22:31Z")
I blame mister bacchus out of the game credits… It’s a running joke in our guild from way back. I just hope we get some clarity soon. There’s a lot of bad feeling brewing over. ---
**Author:** ![Clark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/clark/32/29631_2.png) [@Clark](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/36 "2017-09-04T22:24:53Z")
Thanks Obama! ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/37 "2017-09-04T22:26:43Z")
Thanks Hulk Mogan ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/5/a/5ac680c9447408ebd8f52c4428f9559170284b1d.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![A01020201](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/a01020201/32/28232_2.png) [@A01020201](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/A01020201)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/38 "2017-09-04T22:56:46Z")
I am not trying to argue becaue I understand your point 100%, we were guaranteed nothing, and I do remember that nerf, but I can’t say there is an abuse of LT’s, it is an in game function that you have to play alot and work as a group to perform, most guilds do not even get LT’s, but I will say not getting the minor stones is nice, happy matching ---
**Author:** ![Rojo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9dc877/32.png) [@Rojo1](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rojo1)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 11:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/39 "2017-09-04T23:04:12Z")
I spent nearly that and did not get him! ---
**Author:** ![Rojo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9dc877/32.png) [@Rojo1](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rojo1)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753/40 "2017-09-04T23:08:12Z")
I have a solution! Give Vip members VIP keys every week! if you are vip 10 you get 10 keys at reset! You can then use them or save them for a mythic! Seems fair plus maybe other would want to be vip as well and maybe this would get them to open their wallet [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-nerf-refund-gem-nerf-vip-refund/29753.md?page=3)