# Troop Buff A-H Thread With Summary **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [December 9, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393 "2016-12-09T17:24:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 1:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/61 "2016-12-23T13:10:07Z")
> [@Jainus](#): > > BLACK BEASThttp://ashtender.com/gems/troops/6047- in theory can be very strong, with a summoner to provide devour fodder- making six skulls is a liability not a bonus though- either: boost skulls made up to say 8- or: give an extra turn, or a conditional extra turn, say 13+ greens on board, or:- my favourite: if it devours a Goblin, gain an extra turn Sorry if i break order but i have a buff idea for black beast. It line with bone dragon’s way of using armour to create skulls, what if black beast created skulls based on 1:1 ratio of troops attack? ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 1:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/62 "2016-12-23T13:22:44Z")
Way to many skulls lol. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 3:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/63 "2016-12-23T15:09:55Z")
Nope, in end game that creates just the same problem we have with Bone Dragon now! ---
**Author:** ![Esoxnepa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esoxnepa/32/1837_2.png) [@Esoxnepa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Esoxnepa)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/64 "2016-12-23T15:17:52Z")
Is Bone Dragon the only gem/skull creator that still scales off a stat? I don’t want to risk derailing this thread, but I can’t think of any current troops that create skulls or gems that scale off any stats expect for Bone Dragon. I’m pretty sure they fixed all the other gem creators that scaled off any variable stat. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/65 "2016-12-23T18:34:29Z")
Not the same thing, but Cockatrice creates 6 Brown Gems with more based on mana drained (as of the MW update with Wulfgarok’s release). For about two hours it had a good enough ratio to worry me, it is since fixed. I just checked, I think that’s the only other one. ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/66 "2016-12-23T18:41:38Z")
While not quite the same Lil’ Johnny Bronze creates skulls scaling based on treasure maps collected. He’s one troop I’ve been wanting to play with, but don’t have him yet. 4 skulls per map… does that mean he has the potential to create up to 48 skulls? (maps are capped at 10 I believe, not counting cascades) Also Tassarion creates gems based on Magic+3. But his is a one shot spell. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 9:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/67 "2016-12-24T09:15:54Z")
Some more… **BOAR RIDER** [http://ashtender.com/gems/troops/6046](http://ashtender.com/gems/troops/6046) - not sure the Defender trait fits, thematically - but no reason to chance, and balance-wise is fine now **BOMBARDIER** > **[Bombardier - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6041)** > > Boom! (8 Red/Brown): Explode a Gem. Deal \[Magic + 1\] damage to a random Enemy, with a 30% chance to Burn them. - not great, but as a rare troop doesn’t need to be too good - could afford to hit a little harder, maybe +1 magic at some higher level - and make it 50% chance to burn **BOMBOT** > **[Bombot - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6251)** > > Kaboom! (10 Brown): Explode 2 random Gems. Deal \[(Magic / 2) + 3\] damage to all enemies, boosted by my Armor and destroy myself. \[2:1\] - very powerful for a common - given that entirely cheesy farming teams are built around using this thing, it could probably be toned down and still be viable - suggest move it to 12 mana cost and explode 3 gems - which is technically a buff, but slows it down a bit - order of resolving the spell does need sorting, as it should destroy itself then explode gems, as it makes no sense for it to blocking brown mana when it self-destructs **BONE DRAGON** > **[Bone Dragon - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6129)** > > Strip Flesh (15 Purple/Brown): Eliminate up to 25 Armor on an Enemy. Create 9 Skulls, boosted by Armor eliminated. Gain \[Magic\] Armor. \[4:1\] - enough said about this one in plenty of other threads - simply needs fixing and/or nerfing, the maths doesn’t work in the late game now - let’s focus on the troops that need buffing to help variety of builds **BONNIE ROSE** > **[Bonnie Rose - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6276)** > > Plunder (12 Blue/Red): Deal \[Magic + 4\] damage to an enemy, boosted by Gold collected. Gain 15 Gold. \[2:1\] - don’t have much of a view on this one, have hardly used her - on paper looks like she could be over-powered - but the AI can’t use her correctly, and it’d be slow building her up as player combo unit - so probably fine as she is **BOREALIS** > **[Borealis - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6192)** > > Blizzard (14 Blue/Yellow): Freeze all Enemies. Deal \[Magic + 18\] damage to the weakest Enemy. - got a little buff to its damage output the other day - but still not really any good - not much damage for that high mana cost - though the freeze all is potentially useful - but most decks would run Mab instead and soon have the enemies frozen (probably sooner) - suggest a rework to deal AoE damage based on half magic scaling, with 50% chance to freeze each enemy (ideally roll them separately) - as an aside, I think all AoE spells should be reworked to scale on Magic / 2, which would affect Behemoth and Atlanta above ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 10:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/68 "2016-12-24T10:34:26Z")
Using Jhonir or any of the treasure map family members will raise the map cap to 20 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 12:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/69 "2016-12-24T12:08:23Z")
My problem with Bonnie Rose is, well, mathematically… the amount you’d have to loop or use gold gaining troops in order to make her useful is enough to power basically any other _more dangerous_ strategy, i.e. using Alchemist to get Gard going instead of Bonnie. Yeah I know, used a Mythic as the example, first thing I thought of. ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/70 "2016-12-24T20:53:26Z")
I’ve tried playing around with her a little bit, and you’re basically correct, you can build better teams. I found that it’s a bit of a trade off between taking gold gathering troops and taking Merchant troops to boost the maximum number of gold you can collect. With three Mech troops the cap raises to 175 gold, meaning she can potentially do 87/88 + Magic damage to a troop. But the issue is there are no really useful troops that have Merchant that work with her. Finley is probably the best. There might be some synergy between Bonnie, Finley and Lil’Johnny Bronze, but I don’t have Johnny so I can’t play around with it. The idea being Johnny creates skulls for Finley to turn to red or blue mana, to fill Bonnie. Also Johnny has Greedy so that would help increase the gold income especially with Johnny’s and Finley’s abilities hopefully making 4 matches. I think Bonnie is fun to play, but as @Shimrra said, if you’re only looking for power in a team, she can be replaced by a number of other troops quite easily. EDIT: In terms of Mathematically, Bonnie’s ability gains 26 gold when paired with 3 Merch troops. The Merch bonus also affects the gold gained from 4/5-of-a-kind matches. ---
**Author:** ![Emos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/emos/32/5163_2.png) [@Emos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Emos)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/71 "2016-12-24T21:19:46Z")
With Borealis, he should have “deal double dmg if the enemy is frozen” attached to the beginning of his spell. Might make him a bit more viable. ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/72 "2016-12-28T00:55:36Z")
**Reminder:** The next troop is [CARNEX](http://ashtender.com/gems/troops/6066). ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/73 "2016-12-28T02:21:51Z")
I think Carnex should have a reworked spell. But I kinda like his legendary trait. Maybe make better scaling for it too. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2016, 9:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/74 "2016-12-28T09:44:14Z")
What if Carnex first created a number of skulls, then he explodes all the skulls? For example: create 5-7 skulls randomly on the board, then explode all skulls. This way skulls combos might come up damaging the enemy team, before he explodes all the skulls. And I also think his armor gain in his currently skill should be taken away if something like this was implemented. I think it would be really cool and most importantly, very unique! 🙂 If the skill suggested above should arrive…maybe change his Legendary trait to _Titanic Titanium_: Gain Barrier upon skull matches. Maybe also change his mana cost to 16-17. ---
**Author:** ![vidokas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e47774/32.png) [@vidokas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/vidokas)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 10:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/75 "2016-12-29T22:08:10Z")
Carnex. He needs rework. Lazdy version. Increase armor gain to 12. Celestiasa. Ok troop. Just give her few more magic at higher levels. Centaur Scout - 2 magic and higher levels ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2016, 7:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/76 "2016-12-30T07:46:11Z")
Some more from me… **BRIAN THE LUCKY** [http://ashtender.com/gems/troops/6092](http://ashtender.com/gems/troops/6092) - used to be fun, and part of a broken combo with Webspinner (back when Webspinner created gems based on Magic stat) - never seen nowadays, and left behind in the power creep race - buff as follows: - let his spell affect himself - drop mana cost to 10 - now he has a small chance to buff his own Magic stat and then get out of control - but it’s never gonna be fast enough to break anything - also give him Armoured trait instead of Knight Bond **BUL’TAUROS** > **[Bul'Tauros - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6109)** > > Stampede (11 Red/Yellow): Deal \[Magic + 2\] scatter damage, boosted by my Life. \[1:1\] - interesting idea but has always been bit of a gimmick - funny that Rowanne got the buff of doubling her boost ratio but this dude didn’t - suggest we make him hit harder - change spell to mana cost 14, deal [Magic] damage to the first enemy and then deal split damage as per current spell, and add a chance to stun the first enemy - traits okay as is, though Frenzy doesn’t really fit as he shouldn’t be a front row troop - Centaur Bond would be better **BUNNI’NOG** > **[Bunni'Nog - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6185)** > > Death Awaits (14 Purple/Brown): Deal \[Magic + 2\] damage to an Enemy. If the Enemy is a Knight, deal double damage, and there's a 50% chance to Devour Knights. - hilarious - but broadly rubbish - spell doesn’t do enough damage to Knights to be worth being rubbish at all other times - as a legendary, and a potential counter to Khorvash, needs a buff - make it triple damage to Knights - or double damage to Knights AND double damage to blue enemies, and push the mana cost to 16 - the +4 Attack and Life buff is useless in the end game - suggest remove that bit, or make it +4 to all stats if the enemy dies - traits okay as is **CARNEX** > **[Carnex - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6066)** > > Chain Reaction (15 Red/Purple): Create 5 Skulls. Then explode 10 Skulls. Gain \[(Magic x 1.5) + 3\] Armor. - used to be one of the best legendaries - now left well behind in the power creep race - main problem is that the explosions spell doesn’t scale at all well, as there aren’t enough skulls on the board (whereas his partner Gorgotha isn’t limited in such a way, and scales just fine) - also a bit of an identity crisis on whether he’s a front row troop or a further back mana generator - that third trait is a cool idea, but not strong enough to be consistently scary - suggest fixes aren’t that onerous - change spell to explode random skulls or red gems - and also gain [Magic] Armour, rather than fixed at 8 - as at lower levels 8 is daft, higher levels it’s irrelevant - make it scale and be more apt at all levels - change third trait to add 50% of Armour to skull damage - that’s now a scary enough number, but easily managed down by hitting him - note that the high attack power is also less of a worry as he blocks purple, which blocks most good skull generators **CELESTASIA** > **[Celestasia - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6112)** > > Radiance (14 Blue/Yellow): Create 9 Gems of a chosen Ally's Mana Color. Cleanse and give \[Magic + 2\] Life to them. - she’s not too bad, but that Life gain isn’t great at later levels - agree with @vidokas that she mainly just needs higher magic stat, and probably a +1/+2 on the base Life gain as well **CENTAUR SCOUT** > **[Centaur Scout - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6016)** > > Charge (7 Yellow): Destroy a row, and deal \[Magic + 1\] damage to the first Enemy. - for a common, this dude isn’t bad - leave as it is, very many more troops that need work more seriously **CHIMERA** > **[Chimera - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6051)** > > Triple Bite (10 Green/Red): Deal \[Magic + 3\] damage to the strongest Enemy, then Poison and Burn them. - not too bad this one, and very scary in arena - Arcane trait doesn’t make much sense thematically - I’d just tweak it so that the spell can be aimed, rather than hitting the strongest enemy - otherwise leave it as it is ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 9:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/77 "2017-01-05T09:18:32Z")
Well here’s some more… **COCKATRICE** > **[Cockatrice - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6114)** > > Stone Song (10 Yellow/Brown): Entangle an Enemy, and drain all Mana from them. Create 6 Brown Gems, boosted by Mana drained. \[4:1\] - was recently buffed and reworked - I was (briefly) concerned about that brown gem spamming and refilling itself - boost ratio should probably go to 5:1 not 4:1, it’s just a rare after all - otherwise fine **CORRUPT SORCERESS** > **[Corrupt Sorceress - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6246)** > > Extract Spirit (12 Purple/Brown): Create 9 Red Gems. Summon an Anointed One or Remnant. - recent addition to the game and therefore stronger than most older troops - needs to do its spell in reverse order - summon then create red gems, else the reds get wasted - should create the Anointed One then fill it, to be actually effective - summons in general are pants, but the chance of summoning a fully traited Anointed One is pretty good - so fix the spell order, then leave her be **COUATL** > **[Couatl - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6237)** > > Prismatic Tornado (12 Yellow/Purple): Create 12 Gems of a random Color. - looks and sounds cool - in practice probably too random to be any use - more useful if the spell say cost a little more and did something else - make it cost 14 and also deal damage to something - or make it cost 13 and also pull a random enemy troop to the front of the line (the spell art looks similar to Dust Devil so a similar whirly effect would fit nicely) - traits fine **COURAGE** > **[Courage - Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/6263)** > > Fire Surge (13 Red): Create 15 Gems, a mix of Red and a chosen type. Give \[(Magic / 2) + 4\] Attack to all other Allies, boosted by Burning Enemies. \[4x\] - I think is over-powered, especially the third trait, which should be +2/+2 not +3/+3 - but this thread is for buffing ideas, so no more attention to Courage here ---
**Author:** ![ZooKeeper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zookeeper/32/30875_2.png) [@ZooKeeper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ZooKeeper)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 9:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/78 "2017-01-05T09:35:17Z")
What’s that suicidal dwarf? I’d love to see his spell “deal X damage and die gloriously. Has 20% chance to get X amount of glory. 😉 Can only be casted once (obviously)” ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 1:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/79 "2017-01-05T13:24:21Z")
> [@ZooKeeper](#): > > What’s that suicidal dwarf? I’d love to see his spell “deal X damage and die gloriously. Has 20% chance to get X amount of glory. 😉 Can only be casted once (obviously)” Going off-topic… that’s the Dwarven Slayer… Interestingly, like other ‘one shot’ spells like Great Maw and Tassarion, casting one Dwarven Slayer also blocks the spell for any other Dwarven Slayers in the team… probably it shouldn’t… noticed that when @sister put up a 4x Slayer team on defence for a while… ---
**Author:** ![Esoxnepa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esoxnepa/32/1837_2.png) [@Esoxnepa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Esoxnepa)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393/80 "2017-01-05T13:29:32Z")
I feel like Couatl should offer a cleanse all with the spell at the same cost. The troop probably still won’t see play, but we could use some more status removal options. Or, even at the same mana cost, a split damage spell based off magic to give some fear of it looping. Courage - Needs a fix. I’d remove the Life Gain all together from the trait. Or, fix skull spam all together. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/troop-buff-a-h-thread-with-summary/16393.md?page=5)