# Traitstone Drop-rates **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [December 30, 2015, 6:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482 "2015-12-30T06:14:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 119
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 7:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/119 "2016-01-28T07:15:07Z")
> [@choke](#): > > I don’t play often enough to get reliable arcane drops, and arcanes bottleneck my troop upgrades. Nobody plays enough for reliable arcane drops, they bottleneck everyone’s upgrades. You can see my stats in this thread, 200 battles without a single arcane. The only reliable way currently to get enough traitstones to fully trait an epic or legendary, is to stock on glory until the arcanes you need are available in the weekly pack (or the ones for real money, if that’s your thing). Someone posted in another thread the comparison between how many are needed and the drop rates, you can see that arcane drops are indeed way too low (while majors are too high): > [@Traitstone costs 1.0.8](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-costs-1-0-8/3189/8): > > Comparing the traitstones needed vs the drop rate (from the other thread): > > Minor Needed = 64.43%Drop rate = 61.76% > > MajorNeeded = 14.23%Drop rate = 26.40% > > RunicNeeded = 13.08%Drop rate = 9.31% > > ArcaneNeeded = 7.62%Drop rate = 1.86% > > Celestial Needed = 0.64%Drop rate = 0.68% --- _[View the full topic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482)._