# Traitstone Drop-rates
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)
**Created:** [December 30, 2015, 6:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482 "2015-12-30T06:14:29Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 4
### Author:  [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)
#### Post date: [January 13, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/61 "2016-01-13T18:58:46Z")
Inb4 the devs tell us the exact drop rates if the traitstones do to everyone working so hard at trying discovering the drop chance of traitstones.
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### Author:  [@Nimhain](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nimhain)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/62 "2016-01-14T00:02:13Z")
> [@Namour](#):
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> Also, one of the Devs indicated there was a ‘slightly’ higher chance of getting better traitstones at a higher difficulty level. I’ll try and track down the quote and copy it here.
Actually what I said was that player level or opponent didn’t affect the chance of traitstone drops. The chance of getting a traitstone was a flat amount and that playing on higher difficulties increases the _chance of getting a traitstone_ by a slight amount.
Difficulty does not affect the rarity of the traitstone received.
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### Author:  [@CatalinM](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CatalinM)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2016, 8:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/64 "2016-01-14T08:28:25Z")
Anyone know where I can try to farm, if possible, 2x Arcane Forest traitstones? 😕
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### Author:  [@KAYA43V3R](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KAYA43V3R)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2016, 8:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/65 "2016-01-14T08:30:05Z")
> [@CatalinM](#):
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> Forest traitstones
brown/green so in Zaejin challenges 😉
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### Author:  [@CatalinM](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CatalinM)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2016, 8:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/66 "2016-01-14T08:38:39Z")
ok, thanks. I think at least 100 tries will do, right? :)) These are pretty rare…
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### Author:  [@KAYA43V3R](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KAYA43V3R)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2016, 8:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/67 "2016-01-14T08:43:44Z")
> [@CatalinM](#):
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> I think at least 100 tries will do,
I can not say , maybe someone?
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### Author:  [@Tarnesh](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tarnesh)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2016, 12:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/68 "2016-01-14T12:11:22Z")
I think 1% chance is the ballpark at which you can expect arcanes… at least some people are reporting similart droprates, but noone have gathered a large enough data to be statistically sure.
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### Author:  [@Zelarith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zelarith)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/69 "2016-01-14T14:23:18Z")
Didn’t keep track of my drop rates, but I’ve been farming a LOT for 3 days, looking for 2 Arcane Forest traitstones (Zaejin), only got one… And 3 celestial. Don’t know if I should cry or be happy about that .\_.
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### Author:  [@CSZ](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CSZ)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/70 "2016-01-14T17:09:28Z")
@Zelarith well, Celestial Traitstone are easier to farm than Arcanes, because they drop everywhere.
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### Author:  [@Zelarith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zelarith)
#### Post date: [January 14, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/71 "2016-01-14T17:27:33Z")
I farmed in Zaejin only (PS : finally got my arcane traistone in the meantime 😃 )
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### Author:  [@CSZ](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CSZ)
#### Post date: [January 16, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/72 "2016-01-16T20:33:13Z")
So, almost 300 Matches played and I have a guess on that drop-rates:
Minor: 60%
Major: 30%
Runic: 8,5%
Arcane: 1%
Celestial: 0,5%
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### Author:  [@Ragereaver](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ragereaver)
#### Post date: [January 16, 2016, 9:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/73 "2016-01-16T21:03:24Z")
The runic ratio feels like its gone down a lot lately, and minor gone up…
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### Author:  [@Namour](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Namour)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2016, 5:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/74 "2016-01-19T05:40:43Z")
I have no stats to back it up, but I seem to be seeing Runic Traitstones dropping more frequently since the latest event changeover…?
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### Author:  [@Nimhain](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nimhain)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/75 "2016-01-19T06:26:49Z")
Again we haven’t changed anything.
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### Author:  [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2016, 7:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/76 "2016-01-19T07:45:58Z")
The luck is strong and it leaves the devs scratching their heads. Someone on dev team could possible troll but i doubt cause that seems too much like a conspiracy.
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### Author:  [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2016, 8:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/77 "2016-01-19T08:23:27Z")
To get a statistically accurate picture, one would have to record at least a few hundreds, if not thousands, of drops. Anyone who does a few dozens of matches would just fall into the statistical margin of error, nothing substantial can be learned from such sample sizes.
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### Author:  [@Zelarith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zelarith)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/78 "2016-01-19T13:56:31Z")
> [@Nimhain](#):
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> Again we haven’t changed anything.
So… I guess the drop rates are set in stone by now?
Can we have those drop rates per difficulty everyone is looking for? 😕
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### Author:  [@xSidarothx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/xSidarothx)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/79 "2016-01-19T17:24:01Z")
As with all those statistical chances, we will have them figured out in a few weeks (or months at latest) from now. Unless there are plans to change them, there is no reason to keep them secret @Nimhain
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### Author:  [@Namour](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Namour)
#### Post date: [January 20, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/80 "2016-01-20T01:40:11Z")
@yonizaf - not necessarily so. It depends on the confidence interval you want. If one wants to be theoretical, you could argue infinite samples would not give an exactly accurate result, just tend towards the set figures.
For Minor & Major traitstones, a sample size of just 20 to 40 would be enough for a reasonable confidence interval. With a hundred you can be fairly confident on Nil, Minor & Major…then it’s just figuring out how the remaining 10-15% is made up between Runic, Arcane & Celestial.
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### Author:  [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)
#### Post date: [January 20, 2016, 7:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/81 "2016-01-20T07:02:40Z")
That is so not true. With a sample size of 20-40 you can learn absolutely nothing, as the results can vary wildly.
For example with a sample of 20 you could get 50% major, 50% nothing. Can you learn anything from that? Or, someone else could get 80% minor and then 3 celestials and a runic. with these numbers, the results are so unstable that they are worthless - unless someone takes the time to collect all such samples to a one big sample.
I would say, a minimal sample size, even for just majors and minors, would have to be at least 100, to get even remotely close to the correct numbers. And even then, if your results vary too much, it is more likely you just got a statistical error than that the numbers actually changed.
And then there are these people who claimed they saw change in runic drop rates (which is why I said what I said to begin with). What was their sample size? And they claimed to notice a change to runic drop rates, which you shouldn’t be able to tell without a sample of at least a few hundreds, possibly thousands. That’s all I was trying to say.
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