# Trait/Talent Activation sequence - Titan v Archer

**URL:** <https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/trait-talent-activation-sequence-titan-v-archer/53017>\
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**Created:** [March 16, 2019, 4:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/trait-talent-activation-sequence-titan-v-archer/53017 "2019-03-16T04:12:37Z")\
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**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\
**Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 10:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/trait-talent-activation-sequence-titan-v-archer/53017/8 "2019-03-17T10:16:07Z")

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Found this while wandering the forums:

> [@'Stun on being hit' not working consistently with troops doing something on hit](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/stun-on-being-hit-not-working-consistently-with-troops-doing-something-on-hit/43940/4):
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> Troop slayer seems to go before stun is applied, my hero was just one-shotted by an archer hero before he got stunned, same as psion’s mana steal… Right now I assume the double/triple damage traits like the one on webspinner will work in the same way, I’ll pay attention whenever I cross upon one!

and, as usual, @Mithran’s lovely explanation:

> [@'Stun on being hit' not working consistently with troops doing something on hit](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/stun-on-being-hit-not-working-consistently-with-troops-doing-something-on-hit/43940/5):
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> There are multiple ways things that happen “on skull hit” are processed. Without going into too much detail on this (again), Psion’s mana drain happens **before** (and independent of) damage calc (because it drains mana even on lethal skull damage; entangle/0 attack blocking it is a special case), while status application traits only process _after_ damage is actually dealt (because they won’t apply if no damage is dealt, so they obviously have to know _how much_ damage is dealt). They could be clearer about where these lines are, but it is unlikely for them to “fix” this issue by reordering the way things are resolved and risk breaking a dozen other things.

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