# Total Souls Required to Max Out Everything (Current as of 7/26/2016) **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [July 11, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409 "2016-07-11T22:14:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Phaethon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@Phaethon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Phaethon)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/41 "2016-07-11T23:34:06Z")
I figured it out, but thanks. šŸ˜Œ ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 12:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/42 "2016-07-12T00:51:19Z")
At vip rank 5 troops start at level 5. So how many souls would it take at that vip level to level all troops to level 20. By extension of a previous question at vip rank 8 troops start at level 10 so at that vip level how many souls would it take to get to level 20 for all troops. I have done math topics before but there is no way i am going to touch a math problem like this as it will dishearten me unlike the topics i have done that gave me hope. ---
**Author:** ![Phaethon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@Phaethon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Phaethon)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 12:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/43 "2016-07-12T00:57:19Z")
> [@killerman3333](#): > > At vip rank 5 troops start at level 5. So how many souls would it take at that vip level to level all troops to level 20. By extension of a previous question at vip rank 8 troops start at level 10 so at that vip level how many souls would it take to get to level 20 for all troops. As I stated earlier, the level 5 base level reduces the total soul cost by 2 to 2.5%, and the level 10 base level reduces the price by around 19%. šŸ˜„ ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/44 "2016-07-12T01:02:19Z")
i did not want percents i wanted cold hard big numbers to sink my teeth into. ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 1:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/45 "2016-07-12T01:10:55Z")
Then maybe you should break out your calculator. ---
**Author:** ![AnalSwordfish](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/analswordfish/32/9022_2.png) [@AnalSwordfish](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AnalSwordfish)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/46 "2016-07-12T01:11:28Z")
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**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/47 "2016-07-12T01:46:55Z")
> [@killerman3333](#): > > it will dishearten me > [@killerman3333](#): > > i wanted cold hard big numbers Make up your mind. Instead of wasting electrons asking for something you immediately decry as depressing, fill the space with useful commentary, or nothing at all. ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/48 "2016-07-12T02:08:29Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > asking for something you immediately decry as depressing, fill the space with useful commentaryā€¦ Sometimes I find the dichotomy of his posts entertaining, so that counts for something ā˜ŗ ---
**Author:** ![Sidousai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sidousai/32/604_2.png) [@Sidousai](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sidousai)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/49 "2016-07-12T02:31:38Z")
Many of the older players on PC/Mobile should have already gotten there. Iā€™m hoarding several hundred thousands extra surplus at the momentā€¦ The only thing stopping me from maxing everything out isnā€™t soul. Instead, itā€™s because I donā€™t have enough cards for ascension for some of the new monsters. šŸ˜„ ---
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/50 "2016-07-12T02:33:58Z")
While I canā€™t verify all the levels, 2 and 6 are right, and the grand total from 1 to 20 is also correct ---
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/51 "2016-07-12T02:51:08Z")
For anyone wondering 100% armor bonus _and_ VIP 10 gives a max of 120 souls in PVP (130 when grinding challenges (not including challenge rewards for uncompleted challenges)) VIP 10 info is rather misleading though cause at VIP (either 8 or 9 (too lazy to check)) all your new troops will start out at level 10 (mine do)) Great guide @Phaethon itā€™s good info to have for the point of view knowing exactly how much overall grinding needs to be done If possible (when time allows) can you expand it to show the requirements for the VIP levels that allow troops to start at level 5 and 10 respectively? Keep up the good work #Edit I posted this after only reading the first 15-20 comments and apologize for requesting points already inquired to, sorry again thanks for understanding ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 2:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/52 "2016-07-12T02:54:46Z")
Shouldnā€™t you be able to get more? Armor + vip 10 + Warlord IV on a challenge? ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 3:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/53 "2016-07-12T03:27:04Z")
> [@Cell](#): > > (130 when grinding challenges (not including challenge rewards for uncompleted challenges)) I can get 130 Souls with only VIP 2 (on Warlord IV). So you might want to double check the VIP 10 Bonus (I donā€™t know what it is). ---
**Author:** ![kzintiwife](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kzintiwife/32/2350_2.png) [@kzintiwife](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kzintiwife)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/54 "2016-07-12T03:41:42Z")
> [@Robert](#): > > Wonder what percentage will complete this well only missing 2 of the mythics. everything else is max level - granted not all are max rarity yet, but getting pretty close. šŸ™‚ i have the souls for the missing levels already šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 3:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/55 "2016-07-12T03:47:39Z")
@Shiratori, @Strat Sorry I usually donā€™t play on warlord settings as difficulty does not apply to PVP, and I like to keep things consistent. 120 is the figure with just VIP 10 and a 100% armor I got my 130 number cause thatā€™s what I get using the 2nd lowest difficulty (the lowest after easy) 120 is the most practical figure for me as itā€™s the most you can earn in PVP which grinds other things so is the most practical place to grind It would be nice if someone could show how many 8 win runs with VIP 10 and 100% armor bonuses are needed from the arena (if youā€™re very talented it does give the highest souls/time invested) if Iā€™m not mistaken I think this number should be 1500/8 wins (this can be buffed further via difficulty but IMO the added time need to get 8 wins on Warlord IV (and considering the times youā€™ll drop out sooner to the advantage you give) itā€™s not worth playing difficulty above hard (or possibly Warlord I) as in the time you complete 3 cycles at Warlord IV you couldā€™ve shot down 5 hard cycles which would net more souls ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/56 "2016-07-12T03:49:28Z")
I donā€™t have the VIP 10 bonus number in front of me since I canā€™t pull up the game. Plus Arena is glitched on console. ---
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/57 "2016-07-12T03:53:27Z")
@Shiratori VIP bonus is 100% (Iā€™m positive of this) so with the armor bonus at 100% you have a (x3) bonus (of course the initial reward is 100% (x1)) The soul cap is 40 souls and 40x3=120 so that figure for PVP (which doesnā€™t allow difficulty bonuses) with the listed bonuses are correct (it is also correct with said bonuse elsewhere when playing on easy) ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/58 "2016-07-12T03:55:01Z")
And itā€™s 125% for souls on Warlord 4 so 425% or 170 souls cap per match. ---
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 3:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/59 "2016-07-12T03:56:38Z")
@Shiratori Iā€™ve done my first run throught in challenges (for the bonus souls) on Warlord IV and 170 is indeed what I believe I got ---
**Author:** ![Phaethon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@Phaethon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Phaethon)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409/60 "2016-07-12T04:26:45Z")
> [@Cell](#): > > If possible (when time allows) can you expand it to show the requirements for the VIP levels that allow troops to start at level 5 and 10 respectively? > > Keep up the good work > > Edit > > I posted this after only reading the first 15-20 comments and apologize for requesting points already inquired to, sorry again thanks for understanding No worries. I should have updated the original post with the VIP reductions. Iā€™m actually gonna go ahead and do that now. And thanks for the vote of encouragement. šŸ˜ [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/total-souls-required-to-max-out-everything-current-as-of-7-26-2016/9409.md?page=4)