# To all American people: who are you gonna vote for?
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758
**Category:** Off Topic
**Created:** [November 2, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758 "2016-11-02T21:23:38Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/103 "2016-11-03T02:58:03Z")
Well Sirrian it’s maybe time that this ship sunk.
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### Author:  [@ogunther](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ogunther)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/104 "2016-11-03T03:00:13Z")
Let Sirrian sleep; he can close the thread in the (his) morning. 😛
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### Author:  [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/105 "2016-11-03T03:00:41Z")
This is his morning though.
I’ll be going down with the ship Captain!
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### Author:  [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/106 "2016-11-03T03:03:18Z")
My plan had been to vote on the COMEDY ticket. That was assuredly going to be Hilary. Think of all the comedy gold of Having to call Bill Clinton the first GENTLEMAN of the USA!!??
But then… Trump went and won the Republican nomination.
Even the best laid plans…
So, now I’m thinking of voting Jill Stein, if she receives 5% of the popular vote then in 2020 she will be entitled to federal funding and have to be treated like a real candidate, or actually invited to the debates.
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### Author:  [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/107 "2016-11-03T03:11:26Z")
> [@HKdirewolf](#):
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> This is his morning though.
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> I’ll be going down with the ship Captain!
Australia is on a week-long vacation
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### Author:  [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/108 "2016-11-03T03:12:18Z")
Does that mean morning changes in Australia?
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### Author:  [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 3:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/109 "2016-11-03T03:18:54Z")
No it means they get drunk all day, pretend to care about a horse race and take time off work because of tradition
> **[Melbourne Cup](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Cup)**
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> The Melbourne Cup is a Thoroughbred horse race held in Melbourne, Australia. It is a 3200-metre race for three-year-olds and over, conducted by the Victoria Racing Club on the Flemington Racecourse in Melbourne, Victoria as part of the Melbourne Spring Racing Carnival. It is the richest "two-mile" handicap in the world and one of the richest turf races. The event starts at 3:00 pm on the first Tuesday of November and is known locally as "the race that stops the nation".
> The Melbourne Cup has ...
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### Author:  [@TheRani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheRani)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/110 "2016-11-03T04:16:55Z")
The poll tells me to choose between Clinton, Trump, and Not Voting. I’m not a Republican or a Democrat. If I was living in a swing state I’d consider holding my nose and voting for Trump. Hillary has already gotten Americans killed simply being Secretary of State. I shudder to think how much more damage she could do as president. As it stands though, I think Trump has my red state in the bag already, so my vote for a 3rd party candidate isn’t going to make or break Trump. Some people whine that a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Hillary. Or that a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Trump. It depends on which one they’re rooting for. My vote won’t make a difference to either since I’m not in a swing state. But it Might make a difference to a 3rd party candidate who needs to hit 5%.
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### Author:  [@collectorofgems](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/collectorofgems)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 4:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/111 "2016-11-03T04:24:15Z")
> [@StormChasee](#):
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> difference between ‘extremely careless’ and ‘grossly negligent’
@StormChasee is there a difference? 😉
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### Author:  [@kzintiwife](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kzintiwife)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 4:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/112 "2016-11-03T04:25:09Z")
> [@Eika](#):
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> I feel really bad for you
me too and i live here and have to vote on the 8th.
im bi. i wont vote for trump. his vp is for electrocuting my brain.
im a woman - i would be afraid of being around him (if i was sexy)
my kids are disabled - he made fun of them by extention.
i have friends that are native american and mexican - my foster kid works harder than almost anyone i know.
i dont want to be in the voting people that elect the next hitler
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### Author:  [@Kurokazna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kurokazna)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 5:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/114 "2016-11-03T05:34:30Z")
This poll is missing the candidate I plan to vote for; Grilled Cheesus.
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### Author:  [@rojo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/rojo)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 7:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/115 "2016-11-03T07:01:17Z")
Please! What are you the respect police! No one cares if you respect them or not! The scandal of the Clinton’s isn’t nothing it’s disqualifying! I have no respect for someone voting for a liar and a cheat! I would have more respect for someone not voting! As for the person that is closest to Bernie that would be Jill Stein! Jill is Bernie!
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### Author:  [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 9:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/117 "2016-11-03T09:23:49Z")
Why is jill stein not up there?[quote=“VegaDark541, post:5, topic:14758”]
(I was and still am a Bernie Sanders supporter)
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Same. Also a vote for jill stein is still a vote for a female, so if you are voting based on gender, you have a choice. Also for those who thing the third party wont win, because no one votes for them, and does not vote for them because they wont win, you are apart of the circle jerk.[quote=“HKdirewolf, post:78, topic:14758”]
This whole conspiracy theory you’re trying to sell that voting doesn’t matter, just simply isn’t true.
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False, actually it is true that voting does not matter based on the fact that the popular vote does not get a person into office, which goes against the argument of the vote counting. If most of the people vote for something it should win, however the electoral system is rigged in such a way that certain states have more voting power. This is how bush sr got into office, he did not have the popular vote but he did have the electoral vote, therefore the people’s vote was overruled.[quote=“Tacet, post:102, topic:14758”]
But seriously though,
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If those in the no vote for me section voted for jill stein, she would win for sure.
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### Author:  [@Phaethon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Phaethon)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 10:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/119 "2016-11-03T10:58:22Z")
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### Author:  [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 11:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/120 "2016-11-03T11:25:54Z")
> [@killerman3333](#):
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> Why is jill stein not up there?
Presumably because it’s effectively impossible for her to win under any circumstances. Like or dislike the two party system as you will, but the one thing it does extremely effectively is ensure that no one outside of the two party system can ever win.
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### Author:  [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 11:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/121 "2016-11-03T11:31:18Z")
> [@killerman3333](#):
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> This is how bush sr got into office, he did not have the popular vote but he did have the electoral vote, therefore the people’s vote was overruled.
That’s not correct; it was the younger Bush who [won the Presidency without the popular vote](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_where_winner_lost_popular_vote). He’s the only one in modern times to do so.
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### Author:  [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 11:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/122 "2016-11-03T11:45:30Z")
> [@Tacet](#):
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> But seriously though, Hillary does have some serious rigging problems. She keeps saying Russia hacked into all of the DNC and the emails without any proof, then goes and tries to rig other countries elections in America’s favor. Not to mention Bernie Sanders would have easily destroyed her if it wasn’t for the voter purges, deliberate closing of polling places in Bernie heavy areas, super delegates, the DNC having several people colluding with the media and Hillary campaign in favor of Hillary who then had to resign from their jobs after wikileaks exposed them, and media bias.
This is…factually wrong in _so_ many ways. Regardless of what you may think about Hillary Clinton, it doesn’t change facts.
- _Numerous_ parties from federal agencies to technical security analysts _all_ agree that Russia was behind the DNC hacks and leaks. To say that there’s “no proof” is absurd.
- Sanders lost the primary because he never appealed to minority voters, and that’s a huge amount of the Democratic populace that he never got on board. Clinton got _millions_ more votes than Sanders did. He only appeared to do well because he did well at caucuses, and caucuses are **wildly** unfair - they skew almost exclusively to people who have time and resources to spare that most people don’t have. Clinton annihilated him everywhere with actual _votes_.
- Superdelegates were never an issue. Clinton had more pledged delegates no matter what you’d like to believe. In fact, Superdelegates were the only chance that **Sanders** had. The cold hard math says he could only win if the Superdelegates ignored Clinton winning the votes by a mile and supported Sanders anyway. In other words, the only chance he had would be by deliberately throwing out the “will of the people”.
- The DNC - the establishment Democrat party - preferred the lifelong establishment Democrat candidate. I mean…yeah, of course it did. This is a shock somehow? It’s not a scandal or a conspiracy; it’s a political party doing _exactly the thing that it’s specifically created to do_.
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### Author:  [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/123 "2016-11-03T12:48:11Z")
> [@Amadan](#):
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> Presumably because it’s effectively impossible for her to win under any circumstances. Like or dislike the two party system as you will, but the one thing it does extremely effectively is ensure that no one outside of the two party system can ever win.
It is the circle jerk about the third party that prevents it from winning. We are taught that it can’t win because it can not get enough votes, yet when asked why it can not get enough votes the excuse is that it does not get enough votes because it will not win. This forms a perfect circle of reason as to why the third party is a failure. Even in school kids are taught that the third party steals votes from the other parties even when it comes down to third party vs democrats or republicans. When we get rid of the defeatist mentality around why the third party can not win maybe it will win. [quote=“Amadan, post:121, topic:14758”]
That’s not correct
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My mistake, i mixed up the bushes.
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### Author:  [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 1:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/124 "2016-11-03T13:00:01Z")
> [@killerman3333](#):
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> It is the circle jerk about the third party that prevents it from winning. We are taught that it can’t win because it can not get enough votes, yet when asked why it can not get enough votes the excuse is that it does not get enough votes because it will not win.
That’s actually not the case. It may seem like a simple answer, but the truth is, a “first past the post” voting system like the one in America creates a strong two-party system that inherently locks out any third parties. It’s a phenomenon called [Duverger’s Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law). You can read a lot more about it at that article, but the short version is: no third party can ever win - it’s the closest thing to “mathematically impossible” - in the current system. You’d have to fundamentally change the way elections work to something like preferential voting instead, which allows for minority candidates to gain traction.
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### Author:  [@DonutTrump](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonutTrump)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 2:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/to-all-american-people-who-are-you-gonna-vote-for/14758/125 "2016-11-03T14:32:38Z")
I’m from the UK and it’s a very strange choice for our American friends.
The deeply unpleasant Hilary Clinton or the absolute fucking lunatic, Donald Trump.
I want Trump to win because I think it will be kind of funny to watch.
Does that make me a bad person? 🙂
ps I’ve had this gamertag since way way before the guy got this close to the presidency. I still can’t believe it.
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