# This is haunting me **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [June 15, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513 "2021-06-15T15:38:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/1 "2021-06-15T15:38:43Z")
Still not a single tarrot troop pull for me in the Vault. Am I the only one with this piss poor luck? I am now 250-300 vault keys in. ---
**Author:** ![Snooj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/snooj/32/65852_2.png) [@Snooj](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snooj)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/2 "2021-06-15T15:47:30Z")
I think you’re just cursed Eika. We need a support group for you. 🤣 Pointing out again that keeping the drop rates private violates the game store policies IP2 agreed to with Google, Apple, Amazon, Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft. > [@Vault drop rates; violating policy with app stores on all platforms](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/vault-drop-rates-violating-policy-with-app-stores-on-all-platforms/69219): > > Continuing and highlighting a side discussion from another thread: [No Heart of Rage Support Group - #34 by sls](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/34) What are the drop rates for the Vault? Since vault keys can be purchased with real money, the rates need to be public as per the agreements with Google, Apple, Amazon, Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft. Here’s Google Play Store’s policy: [Payments - Play Console Help](https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9858738?hl=en&ref_topic=9857752) Apps and games offering mechanisms to receive randomized virtual items from a purchase including, but not limited to, “loo… ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/3 "2021-06-15T15:50:08Z")
No need to spam your thread in this thread as well. I know the drop rate is hell low - that is good enough for me. I just want to find players that experienced the same so I dont feel so lonely about it. I swear using VK at this stage makes my days a tiny worse than it is. ---
**Author:** ![terberos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/terberos/32/68944_2.png) [@terberos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/terberos)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/4 "2021-06-15T15:55:55Z")
I… just… don’t… want… anymore… cedrics… ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/5 "2021-06-15T15:56:18Z")
Guess who I got today. ---
**Author:** ![terberos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/terberos/32/68944_2.png) [@terberos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/terberos)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/6 "2021-06-15T17:25:18Z")
Heart of… ah, yeah… 😬 ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/7 "2021-06-15T17:25:52Z")
yeah our friend Cedric… ---
**Author:** ![terberos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/terberos/32/68944_2.png) [@terberos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/terberos)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/8 "2021-06-15T17:44:45Z")
It would be nice if those gnomes stopped popping from the vault after you have them at mythic rarity, because right now Cedric is worth just few souls after disenchanting the +5 copies, so that makes the main prize in the vault feel like… nothing… ---
**Author:** ![blindnighto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/74df32/32.png) [@blindnighto](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/blindnighto)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 7:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/9 "2021-06-15T19:50:40Z")
Right there with you. No HoR or tarot (yet™) ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/10 "2021-06-15T19:51:04Z")
It warms my heart to hear. I am not alone. ---
**Author:** ![Sytro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df788c/32.png) [@Sytro](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sytro)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/11 "2021-06-15T19:55:23Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > Still not a single tarrot troop pull for me in the Vault. Am I the only one with this piss poor luck? I am now 250-300 vault keys in. Same for me, with a small differance - I haven’t used vault keys since i’ve got HoR from Vault (not sure if any Tarot cards were in pool by that time). ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/12 "2021-06-15T19:56:20Z")
At least you have gotten HoR. 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Sytro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df788c/32.png) [@Sytro](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sytro)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/13 "2021-06-15T19:57:29Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > At least you have gotten HoR. 👍 You’ll get one eventualy… and before that you’ll get at least 2 copies of all released Tarot cards 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/14 "2021-06-15T19:58:33Z")
Give me 5000 vault keys first. Then I might get something. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Sytro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df788c/32.png) [@Sytro](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sytro)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/15 "2021-06-15T20:00:59Z")
You just need One. THE ONE. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![terberos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/terberos/32/68944_2.png) [@terberos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/terberos)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 10:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/17 "2021-06-15T22:40:12Z")
I used to love vault keys… Then i felt like they got worse… i take gold/gems over HOR (which i have few) or any of the troops… its 1/10 vaults that i get something else than a gnome… so we started testing it in our guild, and playing vault on lower difficulty levels seemed to give less gnome cards, and resources instead. The lower level vaults were played by lower lvl players. Then, after a while it was just the same for us all, krhm… gnomes, gnomes everywhwhere… I wonder… If we could have options on what we are craving for, as some kinda brackets to choose from or having a chance to reroll the prize. 🥰 ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 1:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/18 "2021-06-16T01:11:16Z")
Same as you. Imagine the pain when there is 7 differently or more Tarrot troops in the pool, and then you pull duplicates through two years. **VK doesnt grow on trees** , I get 2 max a week of them, that is a little over 100 keys a year. Then on top of it I do go to at least 25 gnomes killed in gnome events, so thats 5 extra \* 10, I dont know how many gnome events it is in a year. And a few I get from gnomes in the gnome events - lets say average 3 through 10 events a year.(3\*10 = 30). That is 180 Vault keys a year for someone that plays quite a bit. Lets round it to 200 Vault Keys. So as we already know non campaign players can go years without getting a tarrot card due the low drop rate. It is insane to think of that there is a good chance of not getting a tarrot card out of 200 VK used. Im at 300 atm. ---
**Author:** ![Graeme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@Graeme](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Graeme)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 1:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/19 "2021-06-16T01:36:32Z")
There are 22 cards in the major arcana of tarot I believe. Just imagine the chances of finding a particular one if/when there are so many released 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/20 "2021-06-16T01:37:30Z")
I even struggle to imagine it… ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 11:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-haunting-me/70513/21 "2021-06-16T11:52:52Z")
End of next month is going to be fun, when the newer players that weren’t around for the first campaigns start to realize that their current paid for campaign pass doesn’t contain The Sun required to craft one of the campaign mythic troops…