# There is something different about this battlecrasher \[or not\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [December 23, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/there-is-something-different-about-this-battlecrasher-or-not/67807 "2020-12-23T12:48:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cyberkiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8dc957/32.png) [@cyberkiwi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/cyberkiwi)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/there-is-something-different-about-this-battlecrasher-or-not/67807/1 "2020-12-23T12:48:52Z")
I stand corrected. Really strange though, about 200 games and no gnome before I retired for the day. * * * The event text says **Battlecrachers: Holidays** “It says Ragnagord **and Krampus** will appear randomly in PVP for the next **4** Days.” _(3 days in)_ However, I have yet to see Krampus and nobody else has reported any either. The event started with 500 gold, which according to [this](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/battle-crasher-giving-gold-not-glory-fixing-soon/67770/10) was a mistype, but out of the goodness of I+2’s heart, we’re getting the (better) 5 glory now. Good: Battlecrashers **only** appear in PVP (can be totally avoided in explore, for those who do not believe devs re: gnome/battlecrasher interaction) Bad: I’ve seen many battlecrashers in cPVP but haven’t seen a single gnome after something like 150 games? Bad: Battlecrashers appear in PVP - it’s blocking gnomes, notably PET gnomes I’ve always been on the dev’s side re gnome vs battlecrasher, but this one has clearly been **implemented differently** , i.e. the PVP distinction. To be clear, from one single data point (mine 🙂) - gnome rate is 0% in casual PvP. It’s not statistically impossible yet, but is the longest stretch I’ve ever experienced by far without any gnome. Happy to stand corrected - please let me know if a) you’ve seen a gnome in Casual PvP b) gnomes are appearing as often as before battlecrashers ---
**Author:** ![Dust\_Angel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dust_angel/32/35256_2.png) [@Dust\_Angel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dust_Angel)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/there-is-something-different-about-this-battlecrasher-or-not/67807/2 "2020-12-23T15:50:05Z")
3 casual PvP games so far - 2 battlecrashers, 1 Treasure Gnome. ---
**Author:** ![Lagility](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lagility/32/60497_2.png) [@Lagility](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lagility)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/there-is-something-different-about-this-battlecrasher-or-not/67807/3 "2020-12-23T18:12:14Z")
Gnomes are appearing in Casual PvP, I haven’t done enough battles to say anything about their rates. ![msedge_Dsq07iePQb](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/9/f/9f0be88f0693811191bd1c185dd29de875a37ad1.jpeg) edit: and a pet gnome a few battles later ![msedge_S8BE8dZaFA](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/4/3462f8a162e255e68b61605c1526aab3f24996e5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/there-is-something-different-about-this-battlecrasher-or-not/67807/4 "2020-12-23T18:26:32Z")
> [@cyberkiwi](#): > > Bad: Battlecrashers appear in PVP - it’s blocking gnomes, notably PET gnomes I have never seen evidence that battlecrashers reduce gnome rates. When people tracked during Vault weekends that also featured battlecrashers, they found that the outcome is consistent with what the devs have maintained: the game rolls first for a gnome, and then for a battlecrasher should the first roll fail. ---
**Author:** ![MagiBelgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@MagiBelgr](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/MagiBelgr)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/there-is-something-different-about-this-battlecrasher-or-not/67807/5 "2020-12-23T18:32:48Z")
The gnome event doesn’t start until the 25th anyway?