# The Issue Regarding Losing PvP Score to Gain Extra Defense Wins
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859
**Category:** Official News
**Created:** [May 30, 2017, 8:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859 "2017-05-30T08:56:43Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 2
### Author:  [@kynetarse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kynetarse)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/21 "2017-05-30T23:11:07Z")
“defend wins are worthless.” Right. Because no one’s seen the video, posted by someone in this very thread.
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### Author:  [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/22 "2017-05-30T23:13:40Z")
Omigosh 😲 🙈
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### Author:  [@mraider94](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mraider94)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/23 "2017-05-30T23:15:41Z")
what in the hell?
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### Author:  [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/24 "2017-05-30T23:26:38Z")
How is that even possible?
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### Author:  [@kynetarse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kynetarse)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2017, 11:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/25 "2017-05-30T23:28:15Z")
> [@mraider94](#):
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> what in the hell?
> [@Vangor](#):
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> How is that even possible?
This is a still from the video that set off the minor firestorm about this particular exploit a few months ago. That is how many resources the exploit delivers, and known exploiters are still in this thread laughably trying to defend themselves.
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### Author:  [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2017, 11:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/26 "2017-05-30T23:30:36Z")
I never saw that video
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### Author:  [@kynetarse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kynetarse)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/27 "2017-05-30T23:33:33Z")
> [@Vangor](#):
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> I never saw that video
There’s still a mirror of it (the exploiter removed the original). The video itself didn’t say how to reproduce but someone spilled the beans in the thread (which was removed, see #1 in Sirrian’s OP).
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### Author:  [@EmsDad15](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/EmsDad15)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/28 "2017-05-30T23:37:39Z")
That’s big bank.
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### Author:  [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2017, 10:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/29 "2017-05-31T10:28:08Z")
Wouldn’t it be super easy to check the logs to see who ever got that big a cash reward for a pvp battle, and especially multiple times?
Because exploiting like that, especially repeatedly, should be a ban for life, aka delete the account.
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### Author:  [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2017, 10:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/30 "2017-05-31T10:32:17Z")
Heh… Its easier then that to track. Those rewards came from 1200+ defense victories
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### Author:  [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2017, 10:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/31 "2017-05-31T10:34:56Z")
Ah, so basically it takes (at least) 2 people… one who gets the l00t, and one (or more) to keep losing against that person?
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### Author:  [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2017, 10:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/32 "2017-05-31T10:38:11Z")
Yeah… In not sure exactly how it was done but its the reason for this[quote=“Sirrian, post:1, topic:24859”]
There was quite a bit of lively discussion yesterday in in-game chat about the issue where some players would intentionally lose a bunch of games at the start of a week to gain defense wins during the week
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### Author:  [@Salibu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Salibu)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/33 "2017-05-31T13:56:19Z")
lol…
So now we know how some people have endless amounts of gold. ha
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### Author:  [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/34 "2017-05-31T15:22:45Z")
> [@kynetarse](#):
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> This is a still from the video that set off the minor firestorm about this particular exploit a few months ago. That is how many resources the exploit delivers, and known exploiters are still in this thread laughably trying to defend themselves.
And back at that thread some even claimed that doing it was **harder** than actually playing the game…
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### Author:  [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2017, 6:41am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/35 "2017-06-01T06:41:35Z")
One could argue that robbing a bank is also harder then earning your paycheck 😉
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### Author:  [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2017, 6:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/36 "2017-06-01T06:51:28Z")
Hence the payout is hopefully higher 😉
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### Author:  [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2017, 8:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/37 "2017-06-01T08:50:08Z")
@Drathas i suppose this one is ok? Is this one an exploit?
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### Author:  [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2017, 9:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/38 "2017-06-01T09:29:57Z")
What robbing a bank?
Not sure where you’re going with that?
Obviously what is described here by Sirrian is an exploit hence the fix they’ve deployed.
Fixing these is always a good thing.
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### Author:  [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2017, 9:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/39 "2017-06-01T09:44:19Z")
> [@Drathas](#):
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> Hence the payout is hopefully higher 😉
This makes it sound as tho you feel this is ok
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### Author:  [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2017, 9:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-issue-regarding-losing-pvp-score-to-gain-extra-defense-wins/24859/40 "2017-06-01T09:48:00Z")
Robbing a bank is definitely ok, they rob us everyday!
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