# The AI cheating since the economy hotfix is absolutely insane **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PlayStation 4/Xbox One)\ **Created:** [March 1, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141 "2016-03-01T21:45:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mr.Strange](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mr.strange/32/2762_2.png) [@Mr.Strange](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mr.Strange)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/41 "2016-03-08T22:40:17Z")
> [@obi-juan](#): > > Okay, I don’t care what anyone says - mana surges are broken. I played a round last night where the AI got mana surges on the first 10 turns in a row! Then, one move without a mana surge, followed by 5 more in a row. Seriously? My chance of mana surges in in the mid to high 30% range, from being in the #2 clan on Xbox. But the AI is darn near 100% lately. How can this be explained? Let’s clarify a bit - “mana surge” is something that gives you double mana collection from a gem match. Separate from that, matching 4 or more gems gives you an extra turn. Simply getting mana surges over and over is impossible - because mana surges do not give extra turns. The only way the AI could take that many turns in a row is to have more than a dozen 4+ matches in a row. If that happened, it sounds super frustrating. But it would have nothing to do with the chance of getting a mana surge. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/42 "2016-03-08T22:48:44Z")
I’m sure @obi-juan meant 10 matches in a row. > [@Mr.Strange](#): > > The only way the AI could take that many turns in a row is to have more than a dozen 4+ matches in a row. If that happened, it sounds super frustrating. If that happened? For the last week the AI has rarely gone a match where it doesn’t pull off a 10+ Cascade. For the sake of stats, since I made this thread; My wife and I have played 357 matches The amount of Treasure Maps (6+ Cascades) we have gotten is 32 The amount of 6+ Cascades the AI has gotten is 169 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Strange](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mr.strange/32/2762_2.png) [@Mr.Strange](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mr.Strange)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/43 "2016-03-08T22:54:15Z")
> [@TaliaParks](#): > > I’m sure @obi-juan meant 10 matches in a row. > > > [@Mr.Strange](#): > > > > The only way the AI could take that many turns in a row is to have more than a dozen 4+ matches in a row. If that happened, it sounds super frustrating. > > If that happened? For the last week the AI has rarely gone a match where it doesn’t pull off a 10+ Cascade. For the sake of stats, since I made this thread; > > My wife and I have played 357 matches > The amount of Treasure Maps (6+ Cascades) we have gotten is 32 > The amount of 6+ Cascades the AI has gotten is 169 How are you tracking this? Do you have a video you could post of the AI performing this well? For reference, I’ve earned 17 treasure maps in the past _month_ - and I generally play 50 matches a day. If you’re getting that many maps, perhaps you’re playing a heavy transformation team like Alchemist/Valkyrie/Banshee/Mercy? If so, then your board is probably mostly 2-3 colors all the time, which would seriously skew the probability of getting big matches via random drops. Those sort of teams actually benefit quite unfairly from the combo-breaker. Which is to say - the number of AI cascades is seriously _reduced._ Also by your numbers - 169 AI surges in 357 games played = 47% of games with such a surge on the AI’s part. (or less, if it happens multiple times in a single game.) That seems to contradict your initial statement that you’ve “rarely” seen the AI fail to get a cascade. ---
**Author:** ![Verethragna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3be4f8/32.png) [@Verethragna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Verethragna)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/44 "2016-03-08T23:02:27Z")
I won’t comment on the match issues because I haven’t had any uncharacteristic issues beyond streaks one way or the other, but will comment on the tribute issue. I have all troops maxed currently and have not received a single tribute since the hotfix where they instituted 0 gold battles and had the magic key glitch. I collect about 4-6 times a day on average and have specifically made it an interest of mine to mark down every time I collect to make sure I am not just missing when I do get it, for some reason. I understand the concept of RNG (Even within the realm of programming which isn’t truly random but that is pretty moot). For the first week I chalked it up to bad luck but as I enter the two week mark, calling it bad luck is holding less and less weight. I am starting to think tribute is as borked as the tasks. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 11:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/45 "2016-03-08T23:44:20Z")
@Mr.Strange You are right that I get most of my Maps from heavy transformation/colour destroying Teams. I don’t have Mercy (PS4, so it’s not even available yet) but the two Teams I use most are; Lance Knight Alastair Valkyrie Brian the Lucky with Adana’s banner, used to farm Souls Gloom Leaf Gorgotha Keeper of Souls Celestasia with Khaziel’s banner, used for PvP The numbers I posted above aren’t for Mana Surges, they are for Cascades. I also mistyped the number of games we played. It’s 257 not 357. I’ll admit when I said “rarely gone a match” I wasn’t my numbers. Halfway through typing that post I grabbed my book and then started using my numbers and never went back to fix the earlier part of the post. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Strange](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mr.strange/32/2762_2.png) [@Mr.Strange](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mr.Strange)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/46 "2016-03-08T23:52:37Z")
Side note - Brian the Lucky doesn’t effectively boost the number of souls Valkyrie generates, since the number is hard-capped at 40. (Plus Soul bonus multiplier.) Brian is a fine troop on his own, but the two don’t synergize. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 12:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/47 "2016-03-09T00:04:01Z")
> [@Mr.Strange](#): > > Side note - Brian the Lucky doesn’t effectively boost the number of souls Valkyrie generates, since the number is hard-capped at 40. (Plus Soul bonus multiplier.) > > Brian is a fine troop on his own, but the two don’t synergize. Brian isn’t for Valkyrie, he’s there to boost the Magic of Lance Knight and Alastair so I can keep everyone alive with ridiculous amounts of Armor. I fight the 4 Centaur Scouts in the first Challenge at Divinion Fields. (I have all Missions and Challenges complete, so to farm Souls I’m stuck with a 5-star Challenge or PvP) ---
**Author:** ![Testr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b3f665/32.png) [@Testr](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Testr)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/48 "2016-03-09T08:12:11Z")
> [@TaliaParks](#): > > I have all Missions and Challenges complete, so to farm Souls I’m stuck with a 5-star Challenge or PvP There’s also Arena. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/49 "2016-03-09T15:50:06Z")
I do several Arena runs a day, but they aren’t as much fun as my Soul Team. I might as well get my Arena runs in now before the update happens and Arena becomes broken. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/50 "2016-03-09T18:48:54Z")
Yikes! Between the AI turning back to it’s cheating ways with a vengeance today (was okay for a couple days) and the retarded options the game is giving me for Arena there is absolutely no way I’m playing Arena today. Even PvP has become a complete s\*\*\*show, with every game being a coin toss. Literally played 3 PvP matches where every move I made set up 2-6 Extra Turns in a row for the AI. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 6:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/51 "2016-03-10T06:07:09Z")
Like a fool I attempted 3 Arena runs and got a stiff reminder that the AI is in no mood to allow the player win. Every single match the Hero weapon’s colour(s) were so sparse that I couldn’t get a single Spell off. In 12 matches! This has been an issue for a few weeks now, where the Banner i choose directly effects what Gems drop. Whatever colour(s) I have for bonus, they rarely appear AND the AI will target them if they line up for a future match, even avoiding Skulls to do so. This crap is just too obvious to anyone with a semblance of programming experience. To lie to us and say the game board is completely RNG is insulting. There is no way that the AI can average 3-5x more Extra Turns and Cascades than the player over 100s of games if it was pure RNG. Statistically impossible. I have two degrees, in Accounting and Statistical Analysis. I know numbers better than 99% of people out there. I am done with this topic, as there is nothing I can do and nothing the developers will do. I will now only be playing with the cheapest, most overpowered Teams that can win matches in a turn or two. May not be fun, but it’s the only way I see the game being playable these days, and in the future, i will be avoiding any game made/managed by Infinite Interactive, Pipeworks Software, Inc. and 505 Games. Don’t even bother replying, I’m muting the thread and any user who PMs me about this will be blocked permanently. ---
**Author:** ![kzintiwife](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kzintiwife/32/2350_2.png) [@kzintiwife](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kzintiwife)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 6:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/52 "2016-03-10T06:20:45Z")
might want to check your difficulty… seems like it is ON. ---
**Author:** ![obi-juan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecc23a/32.png) [@obi-juan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/obi-juan)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 6:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/53 "2016-03-10T06:35:46Z")
Sorry it took a while to reply back, but let me clarify what I meant by my post. I didn’t mean the AI got 10 turns in a row (without me having a turn). Rather, the AI got a “mana surge”, or double mana, on its first 10 turns of the game. None of these turns were in a row, or at least most of them weren’t. It went - my turn, then AI turn with mana surge, then my turn, then AI turn with mana surge - and so on. That is why I think something is up with the mana surge percentage calculations. My chance of a mana surge is in the mid to high 30% range, as I mentioned, because you see these stats in the hero menu. That means roughly 3 or 4 out of every 10 moves I make gives me double mana, and that seems about right. No way the AI should be getting a mana surge almost all of the time. The one example I gave was extreme, it hasn’t happened again, but it still is happening way too much. If I had to guess, it seems like the AI is getting mana surges at a 60% or greater rate. Just an estimate on my part, but just play a few games and you will see. By the way, I am on Xbox One. ---
**Author:** ![kzintiwife](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kzintiwife/32/2350_2.png) [@kzintiwife](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kzintiwife)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 6:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/54 "2016-03-10T06:42:40Z")
> [@obi-juan](#): > > am on Xbox One. my bad i missed that part 😕 ---
**Author:** ![obi-juan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecc23a/32.png) [@obi-juan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/obi-juan)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/55 "2016-03-18T18:55:43Z")
I have to say I’m a little surprised no one else has noticed this. When I play now, I just expect the AI will get double mana on almost every turn. The few times they don’t is a bonus. So you have to deal with this crazy unfair advantage every single game. Granted, I can still win most of the time, but sometimes all of the cheating makes the game a lot less fun. Again, there is no possible way the AI can be getting a “mana surge” of double mana at a rate of 85%-90% unless the game is broken somehow. ---
**Author:** ![tokingwolf71](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tokingwolf71](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/tokingwolf71)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/56 "2016-05-18T21:53:49Z")
same here hte it ---
**Author:** ![wskill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/wskill/32/1119_2.png) [@wskill](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/wskill)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 9:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/57 "2016-05-19T09:18:45Z")
Only thing i notice is that often when im going good the enemy team suddenly gets a free out of screen drop of rows of 5 that fill up their whole team or kill 2 of my cards with multiple perfect skull line drops, i call that “the compensator” xD either enemy team AI is becoming sentient ~terminator soundtrack playing~ or its just me being maximum unlucky lol. ---
**Author:** ![wskill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/wskill/32/1119_2.png) [@wskill](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/wskill)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 9:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/58 "2016-05-19T09:21:49Z")
“statistical analysis” Since when is this a course LOL… ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/59 "2016-05-19T15:24:44Z")
> [@wskill](#): > > “statistical analysis” At your local college perhaps? Sinclair community college has that class. ---
**Author:** ![wskill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/wskill/32/1119_2.png) [@wskill](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/wskill)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141/60 "2016-05-19T15:54:50Z")
Honestly never heard of it, i thought statistical analasys was just a basic cognitive function, beside that statistics are absolute hogwash on everything except for static values. random number generators are not static values so can not have statistics. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-ai-cheating-since-the-economy-hotfix-is-absolutely-insane/4141.md?page=4)