# The 2nd GoW Forum Fantasy Series: First Place Match **URL:** \ **Category:** Fantasy Series\ **Created:** [May 20, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101 "2016-05-20T17:35:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/81 "2016-05-23T00:53:55Z")
I disagree. Many if not most people you PM’d had already voted. This one was close, sure, but it always came back to Gorgotha being OP. Its OPs is in part bc it’s very versatile and easy to build a team around. Additionally, any skull-based team is an insta-lose. The matches aren’t even close. Again, anti-fun when half the matches are easy wins. And bear in mind It’s literally the only troop that this can be said about too. ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/82 "2016-05-23T01:02:12Z")
Gorgotha is a good tank for skull damage, but a wussy against magic. Any true damage or direct spell caster can get rid of him in a hurry. ---
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/83 "2016-05-23T01:12:16Z")
I’m pretty sure he has one of the highest Life, and total HP pools, in the game. And in a system where everything is its base rarity there’s not really an effective true damage option. It’s really a two part issue: First, any skull damage team is insta-lose. Second, he’s very useful in most teams so it’s easy to build around him. The net effect is that he’ll never not be an incredibly strong addition to a team. Any team with him in it will almost certainly make it to the semis, and, as we’ve seen so far, to the finals and to win it all. ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/84 "2016-05-23T01:15:01Z")
Damn, this is turning into a different kind of grudge match. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/85 "2016-05-23T01:17:58Z")
Where is @TaliaParks when you need her/him/it ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/86 "2016-05-23T01:19:53Z")
> [@Studs](#): > > Many if not most people you PM’d had already voted. Not to belabor this point, but you have no idea who I messaged or didn’t message. Just because you saw one group message means nothing to Howe many people I may have contacted. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/87 "2016-05-23T01:23:02Z")
I already voted and to be fair he messaged me even though i have voted. This did not change my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/88 "2016-05-23T01:23:58Z")
Yeah, that’s my point. I don’t think this is the sort of community where you get many people voting out of friendship/loyalty. Maybe a few, but I’m guessing it’s more or less offsetting. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/89 "2016-05-23T01:26:14Z")
It might be interesting to consider an event in the future with house rules either completely barring traits, or barring legendary third traits in specific, just to see how that affects peoples’ perceptions of troop worth while team-building. ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/90 "2016-05-23T01:29:37Z")
Him and to what point? Everyone is expressing their opinions and debating the value of a troop, perceived and actual. And yes there are other discussions that have gone on, are going on, and will go on behind the scenes too. Things have been duly noted plus I think there will be sufficient new things so that preconceived notions will have to be adjusted for series 3. Plus if you just wanted someone official to read this… ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/7/7e51d3c7c00f545360a3b09635933249a92b91af.png) Noted. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/91 "2016-05-23T01:31:13Z")
> [@Shiratori](#): > > Him and to what point? Setting up a topic for player on player debate of whose team is better than whose with the polls and made official and such. ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/92 "2016-05-23T01:33:01Z")
@Lyya things like that are planned for eventually. I think we wanted to get at least 1 more normal one per say since we are allowing all troops for the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/93 "2016-05-23T01:36:24Z")
So you want a 2 team debate without a poll… ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/94 "2016-05-23T01:36:32Z")
With over half the kingdoms at 5 stars, my Gorgotha has 44 life. Values vary based on team, kingdom and trait bonuses. My regular PvP team, which a true damage team, can take down Gorgotha in 3 casts. Ask anyone who uses it in their defense team how often they see me in their revenge list and you may get a better idea of how useful/not useful it can be. There is no doubt in my mind that he is the best defender against skull damage, but skull damage is not the only way to kill a troop. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/95 "2016-05-23T01:37:51Z")
Actually have a topic with poll and everything set-up just like as if it was an official match in the fantasy series, troops and everything clearly shown on both teams, with rules on judgement. ---
**Author:** ![Mufasha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mufasha/32/1327_2.png) [@Mufasha](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mufasha)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/96 "2016-05-23T01:39:09Z")
And even skull damage can take him down Tank Valk Mercy sun-weaver You will have a crazy amount of atk in a short order and be able to take anything down. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/97 "2016-05-23T01:42:19Z")
You could always make your own poll. Doesn’t require “official” posting, does it? ---
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/98 "2016-05-23T01:43:32Z")
Yeah, I agree with you overall, but my point was specifically about fantasy. He has among the highest base stats in the game and true damage troops aren’t nearly as easy to build around (particularly since you can’t have 2x Bats or Crescendo in fantasy). I think he’s OP regardless since he’s a little _too_ useful, but I think it’s especially so in fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/99 "2016-05-23T01:43:33Z")
Perhaps but i do not know if it is ok to post it in this topic area considering the teams and the set-up would be the same as the fantasy series. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/100 "2016-05-23T01:43:47Z")
I’ve also brute-forced my way through Gorgotha with: - Anointed One - Abhorath - Green Slime - Treant Basically any troop that can buff its own attack. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101.md?page=4) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101.md?page=6)