# The 2nd GoW Forum Fantasy Series: First Place Match **URL:** \ **Category:** Fantasy Series\ **Created:** [May 20, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101 "2016-05-20T17:35:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/21 "2016-05-21T21:51:42Z")
Golgotha’s weakness ignored and ignorance is bliss. Gorgotha is a terrible troop. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/22 "2016-05-21T21:56:34Z")
> [@TaliaParks](#): > > PaladinRowanne Gorgotha what you got? ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/23 "2016-05-21T21:58:06Z")
While I can accept many arguments as to why some view Gorgotha as OP and some say overrated, you cannot say it’s a terrible troop. You have no valid argument whatsoever to back that claim. There is no better all purpose mana generator and for that alone it will never be “terrible”. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/24 "2016-05-21T22:01:19Z")
If you are judging Gorgotha by his inability to mitigate magical damage, then essentially you are calling every troop in the game “terrible.” ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/25 "2016-05-21T22:01:30Z")
Costs too much !5 to possible loop, has only one trait that makes it a tank, Might summon a troop if lucky, and at our current time a poor troop at that. ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/26 "2016-05-21T22:09:57Z")
I’ve seen Gorgotha fill himself from his effect so it’s not too much, not to mention he usually fill several troops from his ability. His ability alone is where his value comes from. No other troop does it better. That is what made him a great unit from long before Traits were even added and still makes him a great all purpose troop now. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/27 "2016-05-21T22:10:08Z")
Gorgotha is a feeder, not a looper. Converters and goblins are the only viable loopers in the game right now. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/28 "2016-05-21T22:13:41Z")
If the next update comes out before the next series, gorgotha will no longer be able to smash. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/29 "2016-05-21T22:14:18Z")
Oh? What’s changing next update? ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/30 "2016-05-21T22:18:15Z")
Probably referring to the new troops of which technically it won’t matter either way since all troops will be allowable and there will be new strategies for the teams. Though with all the Maw talk, I’m surprised no one has considered what a whirling dervish might do for a team especially when the enemy no longer has their favored troop in the 1 spot. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/31 "2016-05-21T22:19:25Z")
Mana burn. You deal damage boosted by the amount of mana your opponent has. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/32 "2016-05-21T22:27:40Z")
We’ll have to see. Sirrian himself said Mana Burn wasn’t a “game changer,” so I’m inclined to believe it’ll be no more a threat than any other targeted damage spell today. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/33 "2016-05-21T22:30:31Z")
This is true but remember he has been wrong before. You can only test a certain amount of viability with ai vs ai action. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/34 "2016-05-21T22:35:16Z")
As I said, we’ll have to see. I would certainly be cautious about making predictions in the absolute, in the meantime. > [@killerman3333](#): > > gorgotha will no longer be able to smash. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/35 "2016-05-21T22:50:18Z")
> [@Machiknight](#): > > My opponent would have you believe that celestasia is on the same level as Gorgotha. My opponent would have you believe lies! Actually no. Celestasia is on a greater level then Gorgotha when it comes to tanking. It’s so easy getting 1 siimple 4/5 match, and barrier doesn’t reduce skull damage it **STOPS** it completely. Not only that it also stops any spell damage. You can’t go further then that in terms of tanking. Better then 75% reducation to skulls is 100% reducation to everything. Not that you have any spell damage I should worry about thought xD ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/36 "2016-05-21T22:53:31Z")
> [@Machiknight](#): > > Celestasias barrier is worthless when explosions cause it to pop. By explosion that takes forever to charge? If you count on that to pop my barrier often enough you are in for a trouble 🙂 > [@Machiknight](#): > > Emperina buffs and heals everyone causing the spell damage by Paladin to be turned to the gentle caresses of a midnight lover. Surely some other emperina and not your completely blocked off emperina? Trying for browns that you can make, you’ll still need 30+ just to start filling her which is 8-10 turn? That’s supposing you don’t use other troops at all xD ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/37 "2016-05-21T22:55:43Z")
> [@Shiratori](#): > > I’ve seen Gorgotha fill himself from his effect so it’s not too much, not to mention he usually fill several troops from his ability. Several others when they don’t use the same color as gorgotha. . ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 11:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/38 "2016-05-21T23:10:14Z")
> [@Shiratori](#): > > I’ve seen Gorgotha fill himself from his effect so it’s not too much, not to mention he usually fill several troops from his ability. Very true! Even troops using his own color can get filled. Back to back explosions destroys barrier like it might not even be there. Even IF barrier remains intact a decisive deep borer ability removed it, also likely providing a 4 match, giving me an extra Turn to slam skulls down into Celests naked face. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/39 "2016-05-21T23:49:17Z")
> [@Machiknight](#): > > also likely providing a 4 match, Likely? It has more chance to set it off for me to get a 4 match then for you. Why? You are collecting all the browns you can, and with few brown left it’s easier to make it be in my favour. Actually if it occurs that browns set up for 4/5 match in 33% it will be in your favour, and 66% in mine. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101/40 "2016-05-21T23:59:16Z")
> [@DonBoba](#): > > 33% it will be in your favour, and 66% in mine. I love imaginary numbers also! Your matches are 80% more likely to fall in such A way as to provide me with skulls and 4 matches. Every time you fire off celestasia it is 71% more likely to provide my troops with mana. Muy opponent would have you believe that just making up numbers will win your votes. My opponent will try to lessen the effect of mana generation that Gorgotha provides, almost as if he has never run him before. Can you really trust such inexperience? Vote for experience, vote for truth, vote for me. Don’t forget daemon beer! [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-2nd-gow-forum-fantasy-series-first-place-match/7101.md?page=3)