# TDS to mythic pros cons? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PlayStation 4/Xbox One)\ **Created:** [October 5, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tds-to-mythic-pros-cons/31214 "2017-10-05T23:42:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EmsDad15](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/emsdad15/32/31654_2.png) [@EmsDad15](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/EmsDad15)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tds-to-mythic-pros-cons/31214/1 "2017-10-05T23:42:31Z")
Do I really need more than one? Or should I just ascend and only have one mythic one? Yeh I have 6 Ls. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tds-to-mythic-pros-cons/31214/2 "2017-10-05T23:43:48Z")
Ascend it brudda i never use more than one on any team ---
**Author:** ![Calv1n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/calv1n/32/28721_2.png) [@Calv1n](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Calv1n)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 11:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tds-to-mythic-pros-cons/31214/3 "2017-10-05T23:44:32Z")
Personally I’d make 1 mythic and be happy I don’t have any teams that use more than 1 although i’m sure many do. Depends on if you have a team you play that has more than one I’d think to be the deciding factor in your case… ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tds-to-mythic-pros-cons/31214/4 "2017-10-06T00:14:05Z")
Pros: Gain a very small amount of defensive stats, _maybe_ one more explosion depending on where your kingdom bonuses. I don’t think I’ve ever needed more than one to make a team “work”. Cons: Ascending it to mythic doesn’t really do much. Mana generation is roughly the same even if you get an extra explosion (where the explosions hit and subsequent cascades matter _far_ more in determining how much mana is generated), and damage is exactly the same. (You need 6 copies, or 5 _extra_ legendaries to ascend it, though, 5 isnt enough). ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 12:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tds-to-mythic-pros-cons/31214/5 "2017-10-06T00:30:05Z")
In terms of, “how much Mana will that one extra explosion generate, anyway?” I ran a simulation a long time ago that might be of use. > [@Good news/Bad news](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/good-news-bad-news/20182/18): > > That’s partially due to the diminishing returns you get with more exploded Gems. Just for fun, I just wrote a simulator that simulates explodes of 1 to 30 gems on an 8x8 board, across a million trials for each number of explosions, and calculates the average number of destroyed gems per explosion. Exploded Destroyed ======== ========= 1 7.561303 2 14.183169 3 19.996500 4 25.084244 5 29.561… ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tds-to-mythic-pros-cons/31214/6 "2017-10-06T00:50:58Z")
And for anyone interested in the math that supports these empirical findings, for a number of explosions _n_, the expected gems exploded, _g(n)_, is as follows: _g(n)_ = 36\*(1-(55/64)_n_) + 24\*(1-(29/32)_n_) + 4\*(1-(15/16)_n_) And Mana gain is 70% of that, or: _m(n)_ = 0.7 \* _g(n)_ [In Google graph form!](https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS604US604&q=graph+f%28x%29+%3D+36*%281-%2855%2F64%29%5Ex%29+%2B+24*%281-%2829%2F32%29%5Ex%29+%2B+4*%281-%2815%2F16%29%5Ex%29&oq=graph+f%28x%29+%3D+36*%281-%2855%2F64%29%5Ex%29+%2B+24*%281-%2829%2F32%29%5Ex%29+%2B+4*%281-%2815%2F16%29%5Ex%29&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i71k1l4.0.0.0.197876.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1..64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.7sRCPc2xttM) ---
**Author:** ![EmsDad15](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/emsdad15/32/31654_2.png) [@EmsDad15](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/EmsDad15)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tds-to-mythic-pros-cons/31214/7 "2017-10-06T01:54:40Z")
Thank you all. I have never used more than one except for chips and giggles. ---
**Author:** ![Trajic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/trajic/32/20447_2.png) [@Trajic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Trajic)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 9:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tds-to-mythic-pros-cons/31214/8 "2017-10-08T09:27:55Z")
I don’t think you’ll ever need more than 2 copies of the troop. If you upgrade it - more HP and Armor is always nice. If you keep 4 of them … Well … You can troll people in PvP and see how many times will it respawn. My record has been 7 per game 😅