# Tarot card pool (Lovers catching problem) **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [September 1, 2025, 3:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tarot-card-pool-lovers-catching-problem/88554 "2025-09-01T03:39:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nagflar\_dv](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nagflar_dv/32/100704_2.png) [@Nagflar\_dv](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nagflar_dv)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 3:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tarot-card-pool-lovers-catching-problem/88554/1 "2025-09-01T03:39:37Z")
Hi there, @Jeto Are there any plans of making tarot card like The lovers, Hart of rage and the emperor, needed to craft stuff in soulforge obtainable other way rather than wault? Now we have too many tarot added to the pool, so some of our new players frustrating from a road to WoS. 400-500 keys without even a track of a Lovers don’t sound as a very hard work but chances decrease with every season and kingdom reborn ---
**Author:** ![Jeto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jeto/32/101682_2.png) [@Jeto](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jeto)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 3:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tarot-card-pool-lovers-catching-problem/88554/2 "2025-09-01T03:49:02Z")
There have been no discussions so far around the Tarot troops. ---
**Author:** ![Nagflar\_dv](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nagflar_dv/32/100704_2.png) [@Nagflar\_dv](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nagflar_dv)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 4:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tarot-card-pool-lovers-catching-problem/88554/3 "2025-09-01T04:10:58Z")
I have not enough data to say it’s a big problem, but as i read in chats it’s exist for sure. I’d like community to comment is it trully worth talking ---
**Author:** ![becauseican646](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@becauseican646](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/becauseican646)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 11:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tarot-card-pool-lovers-catching-problem/88554/4 "2025-09-01T11:14:23Z")
There has been quite a bit of discussion about how just like the soulforge the vault pool has become severely unbalanced due to the ever increasing number of troops that are added to it without any adjustment to how they are dropped. Many requests have been made around reducing the number of cedric drops so the other troops can have a greater chance to drop since there are so many more now than when it was created. ---
**Author:** ![Darkborne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkborne/32/95796_2.png) [@Darkborne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkborne)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 1:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tarot-card-pool-lovers-catching-problem/88554/6 "2025-09-02T13:14:39Z")
> [@Changes to Cedric's Rewards](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/changes-to-cedrics-rewards/83090/5): > > The gnomes, tarot cards, and Cedric need to be treated like guardian troops from guild chests. Once we have 4 copies of each unique troop, they should no longer drop, so that we have an increased chance of getting better rewards. Nothing more needs to be said. We have been requesting this for a long time, and this issue needs to be addressed.beer This was a dream that we all had, and I got a good representation of this community to make the vault key drop pool more meaningful. @Jeto, Enough is enough. Nowadays, it seems like we need _hundreds_ of vault keys to find anything meaningful. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 2:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tarot-card-pool-lovers-catching-problem/88554/7 "2025-09-02T14:13:58Z")
> [@Darkborne](#): > > This was a dream that we all had, and I got a good representation of this community to make the vault key drop pool more meaningful. There’s kind of a problem with that, it would make acquiring the latest tarot troop trivial once you’ve caught up. A better approach might be to allow us to disenchant Cedrics and excess tarot troops for “tarot shards”, which then could be used to craft any tarot troop. ---
**Author:** ![Darkborne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkborne/32/95796_2.png) [@Darkborne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkborne)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 2:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tarot-card-pool-lovers-catching-problem/88554/8 "2025-09-02T14:31:52Z")
@Fourdottwoone your idea does make sense, but let’s be honest… The soulforge needs a **massive** update, and I don’t see it being updated like the community wants in the near future. With guild seals, the devs showed that they can limit the troop drop pool, so that we stop getting copies after we acquire 4 of a given troop. I know that it’s more complicated with mythics and tarot cards, but we need to make at least one step in the right direction. I am not saying that my suggestion is the “ideal” solution, but anything is better than what vault keys are now… ---
**Author:** ![WHOCARES25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/whocares25/32/102013_2.png) [@WHOCARES25](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/WHOCARES25)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 5:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tarot-card-pool-lovers-catching-problem/88554/9 "2025-09-02T17:25:59Z")
Isn’t there a troop tho, in the forge. A troop or weapon. That’s uses 5 of 1 tarot card to make. Sorry, my gems isn’t on, I would of looked, but I’m sure there is. Just checked. Trick n treat. Uses 5 tarots, so cant limit to 4. Surprised, no one that’s already posted, remembered this weapon 🤔 ![1000000772](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/6/46b7c675afa3b5941ea8ab1f4dfb76523473f0a1.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Darkborne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkborne/32/95796_2.png) [@Darkborne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkborne)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 6:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tarot-card-pool-lovers-catching-problem/88554/10 "2025-09-02T18:56:09Z")
Thanks for pointing that out. Like I mentioned earlier, weapons like Trick and Treat make my suggestion “complicated.” And I honestly don’t think that vault keys will be reworked anytime soon. But here’s what I think what is best for this game and the community–make the rewards from vault keys better overtime by eliminating useless troops (Cedric, Gnomes, and Tarot cards), from the drop pool so that we get more “useful” rewards. ---
**Author:** ![WHOCARES25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/whocares25/32/102013_2.png) [@WHOCARES25](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/WHOCARES25)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 6:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tarot-card-pool-lovers-catching-problem/88554/11 "2025-09-02T18:58:43Z")
They need to overhaul the rewards somewho. I don’t agree with , the guard medal being a reward in explore 12. Just be guard till exp 4, then green till 6, blue till 8. Then after 8 , just purple, orange and mythic. Seems way more fair. ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 9:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tarot-card-pool-lovers-catching-problem/88554/12 "2025-09-02T21:39:05Z")
they can change Soulforge requirements when they feel like it, like when Enraged Kurandara used to consume Heart of Rage, but now only checks for it. If this hypothetical new system ever happened, they could just change it to check for 4 copies instead of 5. Trick and Treat is a very underrated weapon though, for sure. ---
**Author:** ![annuhurmi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f08c70/32.png) [@annuhurmi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/annuhurmi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2026, 10:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/tarot-card-pool-lovers-catching-problem/88554/13 "2026-09-10T22:06:35Z")
I haven’t heard any plans to move those tarot cards out of the vault, unfortunately. Hopefully the team considers it soon.