# Sunbird / Keeper of Souls **URL:** \ **Category:** Bug Reports\ **Created:** [March 20, 2018, 9:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331 "2018-03-20T09:55:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dargelos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dargelos/32/36415_2.png) [@Dargelos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dargelos)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 9:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/1 "2018-03-20T09:55:13Z")
Hi there, I am using PS4 and today i made up a team just to do the daily requests which is: Sunbird Keeper of Souls Mummified King Skeleton The problem was that when i cast my Sunbird it was replace with a Wight. Now i know that Keeper of Souls has a chance to summon a Wight when an ally dies but in the case with Sunbird that shouldnt happen, right? Its not a big deal, but just wanted to report it. Thx. ---
**Author:** ![Grimace](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/grimace/32/37435_2.png) [@Grimace](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grimace)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 10:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/2 "2018-03-20T10:05:23Z")
When Sunbird uses his attack, he ‘dies’ and comes back to life. So the Wight replaces Sunbird. Same thing happens when you use him with Kerberos, his last trait summons a Warg when an enemy dies. ---
**Author:** ![Dargelos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dargelos/32/36415_2.png) [@Dargelos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dargelos)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 11:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/3 "2018-03-20T11:11:08Z")
No offense, but you answered the same i said in my post. I am aware how cards work, i just said in case of Sunbird shouldnt happen that. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 12:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/4 "2018-03-20T12:15:58Z")
He’s explaining this is “working as intended”. Sometimes two mechanics work in a way that hurt the player, we can call it “anti-synergy”. The game doesn’t have two different “dies”. So when the Sunbird uses its ability, its “die” is the same “die” as if something killed it. There is, in the game “stack”, the notion that it should return. But since there is a “when an ally dies” trigger, that happens first. Then, there’s nowhere for the Sunbird to go, it can’t resurrect. For this to not be true there’d either have to be two “dies” so the game can tell the two apart. Then, all “when an ally dies” traits would not work with Sunbird. So really, the devs would have to special-code Sunbird and _every_ “when an ally dies” trait in the game and figure out which ones players want to work and which ones they don’t. That’s a lot of work. And it’s intuitive to point out that “dies” means “dies”. ---
**Author:** ![jrOrtega](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecccb3/32.png) [@jrOrtega](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/jrOrtega)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 12:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/5 "2018-03-20T12:20:42Z")
I agree with the OP. Sunbird’s ability should take precedent in the progression of reconciling effects. This is supported by the fact that Sunbird was the active troop and mana was spent to use the ability. ---
**Author:** ![jeno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jeno/32/20235_2.png) [@jeno](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/jeno)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/6 "2018-03-20T12:42:35Z")
yeah. this sound more like oversight than intended feature. ---
**Author:** ![raphael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/raphael/32/38770_2.png) [@raphael](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/raphael)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/7 "2018-03-20T13:01:15Z")
Happened to me 2 months ago. Don’t use Keeper of Souls for kill X with 3 khetar troops. ---
**Author:** ![Dargelos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dargelos/32/36415_2.png) [@Dargelos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dargelos)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/8 "2018-03-20T13:15:39Z")
> [@jeno](#): > > yeah. this sound more like oversight than intended feature. Agree with you, looks like that. And i said in OP, its not a big deal, just reporting it. ---
**Author:** ![Grimace](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/grimace/32/37435_2.png) [@Grimace](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grimace)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/9 "2018-03-20T13:35:41Z")
Yeah sorry maybe my explanation wasn’t obvious enough :') I don’t like the way it works either. ---
**Author:** ![JuaitoR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/juaitor/32/11770_2.png) [@JuaitoR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JuaitoR)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/10 "2018-03-20T13:50:22Z")
I think this is working as intended. You should know better than to try using Sunbird with Keeper of Souls or with Kerberos. ---
**Author:** ![Dargelos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dargelos/32/36415_2.png) [@Dargelos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dargelos)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/11 "2018-03-20T15:41:52Z")
Honestly, dont think was intended. But related what you said, it happened to me by fluke, because i put a team just for a daily reward on ps4. Otherwise i would never encounter this. ---
**Author:** ![mitamata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mitamata/32/10313_2.png) [@mitamata](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mitamata)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/12 "2018-03-20T17:03:15Z")
Hmm, this is a tricky one. It makes sense for the player to expect Sunbird will come back, but I’m guessing in the game code, it’s harder to ensure. The way things currently seem to work is all traits fire off after each stage of a spell. So in the case of Sunbird: 1. do damage to enemies, traits 2. kill self, traits 3. resurrect self, traits So KoS’s trait fires off in stage 2 of the spell. To change that, they would have to move the traits’ execution after the spell, which would effect a lot of spells in the game. I’m not sure they’d want to do that. Might just have to live with this one. ---
**Author:** ![JuaitoR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/juaitor/32/11770_2.png) [@JuaitoR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JuaitoR)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/13 "2018-03-20T17:28:13Z")
When an ally dies, KoS and Kerberos have a 50% chance to use the ally’s soul and turn it into a minion. I think it makes sense, as the soul crosses the gate to the afterlife, the gate keeper has the ability to send it back as a minion. Thus not allowing said troop to actually die and trigger a ressurect ability. That’s how I see it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/14 "2018-03-20T17:56:27Z")
Both Kerberos and KoS summon on **enemy** death. If damage (and thus, kills) completely resolved before Sunbird’s “death”, this wouldn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![Grimace](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/grimace/32/37435_2.png) [@Grimace](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grimace)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/15 "2018-03-20T18:16:02Z")
Woops, got that wrong. ---
**Author:** ![JuaitoR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/juaitor/32/11770_2.png) [@JuaitoR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JuaitoR)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sunbird-keeper-of-souls/37331/16 "2018-03-20T18:50:29Z")
Lol, disregard everything I said in the last post.