# Strange Glitch in Counting Algorithm **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [May 29, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/strange-glitch-in-counting-algorithm/40234 "2018-05-29T00:38:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![overfiend1976](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/overfiend1976/32/41201_2.png) [@overfiend1976](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/overfiend1976)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/strange-glitch-in-counting-algorithm/40234/1 "2018-05-29T00:38:54Z")
I’ve noticed that ever since I’ve started playing this game, mana surges never happen on 4 gem matches, regardless of which gems or which banners being used. I can get up to 10 gems from a 3 gem match with a ++ banner, and up to 12 with a 5 gem match, but every single time that I’ve matched 4 gems, it gives 4 gems and 4 gems only. Never once I have heard the magic words “mana surge” on a 4 gem match. ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/strange-glitch-in-counting-algorithm/40234/2 "2018-05-29T00:55:25Z")
You don’t surge on a 4 gem match, ever. This was a “bug” that was in the game from release on PC/Mobile. They fixed this when they ported the PC/Mobile version to Unity, allowing match 4s to surge the same chance that match 3s can. However, fixing this bug extended turns further, which, combined with the pRNG of the new engine and general power creep, created frequent “streaky” situations that players found undesirable. Thus, due to player feedback, the “bug” was patched back in the next major revision, to _all_ platforms, as a “feature”. Due to power creep and new mechanics like doomskulls, the potency of a turn now is actually _higher_ than it was with match 4 surges turned on, but I guess it was more palletable since it happened over a period of time and not all at once. tl;dr: It is _intended_ that you don’t ever get a mana surge from a 4 gem match. You still _always_ surge on 5+ matches. Your surge chance for 3 matches depends on your mastery. ---
**Author:** ![overfiend1976](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/overfiend1976/32/41201_2.png) [@overfiend1976](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/overfiend1976)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 1:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/strange-glitch-in-counting-algorithm/40234/3 "2018-05-29T01:10:40Z")
That’s a very strange glitch, but thanks for clearing that up. It had bothered me for a while, and I’d peered through the forums a bit, but hadn’t been able to glean any information on it. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 4:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/strange-glitch-in-counting-algorithm/40234/4 "2018-05-29T04:27:30Z")
Mithran is correct, mana surges don’t occur on any 4 gem matches. 🙂