# Stop overusing the RNG - It is NOT fun!
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/stop-overusing-the-rng-it-is-not-fun/77257
**Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback
**Created:** [October 6, 2022, 10:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/stop-overusing-the-rng-it-is-not-fun/77257 "2022-10-06T22:40:32Z")
**Posts on this page:** 8
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### Author:  [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2022, 2:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/stop-overusing-the-rng-it-is-not-fun/77257/21 "2022-10-15T02:09:41Z")
> [@Moriad](#):
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> So it doesn’t surprise me that Hoard Mimics are rare. They’re not exactly… playable, either. I’m not sure why anyone would want one, except to raise kingdom levels, but getting mythics for that purpose via keys involves a boatload of RNG, too. So why all the fuss over Hoard Mimics specifically?
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> Don’t get me wrong: I am no fan of RNG. It took me months to get my first mythic. My hubby got one with his very FIRST gem key.
In most situations, you can circumvent the RNG luck in keys by crafting that Mythic in the Soulforge at some point. There’s no such fortune for a Hoard Mythic.
As for troop viability, it has Impervious (and I guess armored). So by default, I’ve seen worse. Who am I to say what troop is or isn’t playable? I don’t care for the random RNG luck required for Piscea to be effective, but others love it. Same goes with Hoard Mimic.
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### Author:  [@sylverscale](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sylverscale)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/stop-overusing-the-rng-it-is-not-fun/77257/22 "2022-10-15T14:47:12Z")
> [@TheIdleOne](#):
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> I don’t care for the random RNG luck required for Piscea to be effective, but others love it.
For me, Piscea is a mana generator that may devour - like Centuragon. So I don’t build teams around the fish.
It will very effectively generate mana if you set it up right. That’s what counts the most.
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### Author:  [@Stratelier](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stratelier)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2022, 12:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/stop-overusing-the-rng-it-is-not-fun/77257/23 "2022-10-16T00:39:39Z")
> [@sylverscale](#):
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> For me, Piscea is a mana generator that may devour
I look at Dracos 1337 (Silencer/Mana Drainer with occasional instant kill) and Persistence (Green Mana killer with occasional Devour) the same way.
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### Author:  [@Moriad](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Moriad)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/stop-overusing-the-rng-it-is-not-fun/77257/24 "2022-10-17T19:30:59Z")
> [@"TheIdleOne](#):
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> In most situations, you can circumvent the RNG luck in keys by crafting that Mythic in the Soulforge at some point. There’s no such fortune for a Hoard Mythic.
As you say, _in most situations_. I’ve been waiting for the Will of Nisha since May or thereabouts. I couldn’t get her then because I was out of diamonds. And every mythic you craft is potentially another that you can’t (for yet _another_ cycle) because there’s RNG dictating where in the long cycle they show up, if, in fact, they’ve even been added to the list at all.
It took me a lot less time to get the Hoard Mimic than _any other mythic_ that I’ve been specifically waiting for. Because… unlike the Soulforge, you can speed up your likelihood of getting the HM by grinding. What you can’t do is throw money at it.
I’ll admit: I’d probably be sore about the HM if I actually needed it and didn’t already have it. So I’ll grant you that. And I’m sure we’d both agree that at least there aren’t six different HMs to collect dupes of… Yet.
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### Author:  [@Tarana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tarana)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/stop-overusing-the-rng-it-is-not-fun/77257/25 "2022-11-07T21:10:20Z")
Just stop with the pretending you guys don’t mess with rates…just stop it. Those of us who put huge hours into this game know what’s up. How the hell does a ten percent rate happen 90 percent of the time if your not messing with rates…and that’s just for the a.i. our characters don’t have the same experience…here’s the deal…if rates are truly random…then over a large sample period they should look roughly similar for both us and the a.i. they don’t…therefore we know your putting your finger on the scale… challenging players to show you on video is kind of like saying…catch me if you can…nanny nanny boo boo. That is all.
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### Author:  [@Stratelier](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stratelier)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2022, 11:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/stop-overusing-the-rng-it-is-not-fun/77257/26 "2022-11-07T23:55:49Z")
> [@Tarana](#):
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> if rates are truly random…then over a large sample period they should look roughly similar for both us and the a.i.
If you want to “statistically prove” it, please have your statistics in hand when posting. Otherwise it’s (presumably) just “your word vs. theirs”.
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### Author:  [@Tarana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tarana)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2022, 1:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/stop-overusing-the-rng-it-is-not-fun/77257/27 "2022-11-08T13:31:39Z")
I get that…but I have had one of the moderators basically admit that you guys know about a lot of these problems so it’s annoying when you guys act like if I don’t have a video it’s not happening.
…you know it is lol. Now as far as narrowing down exactly what and where it is…yeah you need footage…I totally agree…but just stop with the insinuating that it’s just our imagination or us lying about it.
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### Author:  [@Starlite](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Starlite)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/stop-overusing-the-rng-it-is-not-fun/77257/28 "2022-11-08T17:14:54Z")
In case anyone’s reading…
Please drop the Mimic and Hoard Mimic battles’ level to the highest ever achieved in explore.
If my level 400 account ever finds a Mimic battle, it will definitely lose. And that means zero medals from the 60 or so battles it took me to reach the Boss battle at D2. What a slap in the face that would be!
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