# Statistics on Farming Traitstones **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PlayStation/Xbox)\ **Created:** [November 22, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661 "2016-11-22T19:11:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dave/32/10269_2.png) [@Dave](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dave)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661/1 "2016-11-22T19:11:41Z")
Hi, Does anyone have statistics for farming arcane traitstones on console? I’ve been farming for over 4-5 hours with a team _(bombats)_ that completes each match in under 20-30 seconds on average… not a single arcane traitstone. Is this normal for console? At least I gained six levels… Best Wishes, -Dave ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661/2 "2016-11-22T20:38:16Z")
When you say you are farming, are you using explore mode? The odds of getting an Arcane in explore are about 1 in 17, but due to luck, you can go a long time without getting one. Odds of getting an arcane in any other mode is 1/3 of the Explore odds, so significantly more likely to go a long stretch without one. If you went 4 straight hours, even at 1 minute per match, without a single Arcane, that would be some epic bad luck, though I’ve gone at least 2 or 3 hours (over several days) without getting one. I also got 3 arcanes in 4 matches once last week. ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661/3 "2016-11-22T20:53:52Z")
> [@Dave](#): > > 4-5 hours with a team (bombats) that completes each match in under 20-30 seconds Something’s not quite right. I’ll take your average numbers at face value: 25 seconds per match for 4.5 hours. Assuming a lot of loading time between games, I’ll round it WAY UP to 45 seconds per game, or 80 Explorers per hour. So that’s **360** Explore battles without a single Arcane Traitstone? Please take a quick video of it with special focus on the pre battle selection screen. ---
**Author:** ![Dave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dave/32/10269_2.png) [@Dave](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dave)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661/4 "2016-11-22T20:59:59Z")
Hi, Yes, I was testing explore mode. I did get a celestial traitstone somewhere between the second and third hour. A few minutes after making this forum topic I received an arcane traitstone. Best Wishes, -Dave ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 9:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661/5 "2016-11-22T21:03:20Z")
You should have asked earlier. That’s the way it always works. My 3 in 4 happened about five minutes after I told my wife I hadn’t gotten an Arcane in days… ---
**Author:** ![Dave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dave/32/10269_2.png) [@Dave](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dave)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661/6 "2016-11-22T21:05:48Z")
Hi Stan, The number that you gave me: > [@Stan](#): > > The odds of getting an Arcane in explore are about 1 in 17 Is this an officially documented number? Or is this derived from player testing? Thanks. -Dave ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 9:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661/7 "2016-11-22T21:06:59Z")
It is derived from player testing on some large sample sizes. I’ll see if I can find the thread. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661/8 "2016-11-22T21:12:56Z")
I think it’s derived from a testing on about 3500 explore battles. As far as devs revealed, I think they stated that it should be one about every 20 battles (on average of course) ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661/9 "2016-11-22T21:28:33Z")
> [@Explore mode Ghulvania drop sample](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/explore-mode-ghulvania-drop-sample/10781/20): > > Here is my tracking data. I’ve only been tracking Arcanes: First 10 arcanes before tracking but I switched to assassin class before doing exploring at 0 battles in assassin class and 0 of the needed arcane Arcane 11 - 198 Arcane 12 - 230 Arcane 13 - 244 Arcane 14 - 253 14/253 set 14/253 total (changed to archer class, 2913 start) Arcane 15 - 2950 Arcane 16 - 2974 Arcane 17 - 2977 Arcane 18 - 2989 Arcane 19 - 2992 Arcane 20 - 2993 6/80 set 20/333 total (pvp 2994 - 3120) Arcane … This seems to be the last word on the subject. Before Explore mode, accepted wisdom was that an Arcane would drop about 2% of the time, and with the Explore multiplier, that was modified to 6%. Sirrian himself commented on the original poster’s sample, which supports that this number is at least in the ballpark. ---
**Author:** ![Nephilim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nephilim/32/29092_2.png) [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661/10 "2016-11-22T21:54:19Z")
Just got two arcane plains in divinion fields in three goes, had 15 goes before that mind! ---
**Author:** ![Dave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dave/32/10269_2.png) [@Dave](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dave)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661/11 "2016-11-22T22:03:42Z")
Hey, that’s where I am farming! I guess you pulled a Dracos 1337 and are trying to trait him too. **I’ll trade you 1 maw for 3 Arcane Plain Traitstones.** Deal? Or no deal? ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/9/99c35ba085cc32beda805c2265c1deeeb993b024.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661/12 "2016-11-22T23:09:53Z")
My current personally recorded numbers for Arcanes from Explore are 154 stones out of 2648 battles total (I hit a stretch of _terrible_ luck for a time, enough to skew the final percentage a bit even over the huge amount of battles). Currently just over 5.7%, and trending upward over the last 10 stones. 6% seems in the ballpark. I believe @Rasper had some data as well. Devs have never come out and stated the drop rate (also stating they never would give specifics), but there was one comment by Sirrian in the linked thread that the numbers in the original post (3.68% drop rate for arcanes) were “unusually low”. All this is, of course, on PC/Mobile. The drop rates _should_ be the same on console, but I have no way to verify or test that. ---
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 11:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/statistics-on-farming-traitstones/15661/13 "2016-11-22T23:23:56Z")
You can add my 52 in 908. That is 206 in 3556, which is 5.8% or roughly 1 in 17