# (!) Spoiler Alert (!) -- \[Any Details Provided are Subject to Change\] (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Spoilers\ **Created:** [November 13, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280 "2015-11-13T03:16:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1272 "2016-11-15T18:14:54Z")
> [@Fifthelement](#): > > do you know what stun does? if not - go read the description again. Gorgotha is totally useless against double manticore teams. I don’t know if I really want to wade in here, but using a damage sponge like Gorgotha against this team works. I use Gorgotha, Emperina up front (with any number of combinations for the last 2 slots), bait manticore into stunning one or both of my last two troops, and then proceed to charge. Emperina heals and cleanses, and boosts attack, so my Gorgotha just keeps getting stronger. It’s a slow fight but I don’t think I’ve ever lost to the MMDBBD team. That said, I get that it is a frustrating team, and wouldn’t mind seeing Manticore nerfed. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 6:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1273 "2016-11-15T18:16:06Z")
Great post, i agree on everything (not that it matters) except the boost Ratio on Bone Dragon. Bone Dragon is a problem regardless of what ratio you put on his spell, he was a problem ever since i started playing this game and never really stopped being one. The 3:1 ratio change didn’t change anything about it, and a 4:1 Ratio won’t do that either with current armor values. And even a 5:1 or 6:1 ratio will just be a lacking bandaid until whatever next update increases armor values once more. The way his spell scales needs to be reworked entirely, or he will stay a brainless _fire-when-ready-regardless-of-circumstances-to-kill-one-or-more-troop-everytime_ troop, involving no thoughtprocess. ---
**Author:** ![en9nhcet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/en9nhcet/32/1673_2.png) [@en9nhcet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/en9nhcet)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1274 "2016-11-15T18:28:55Z")
so from what i can gather from previous posts is that we all want manticore and bone dragon buffed! 🕶 ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/6/605ce86331e800b5f664abee43ec39a3df80ecd7.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1275 "2016-11-15T18:41:05Z")
![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/0/0f3a2c6ba3eabcdfa0e183e359f46ad00b2ddbe1.gif) I’m indifferent about a nerf to either troop. Both can be easily beaten. Both are replaceable if they get nerfed into oblivion. I want the devs to come up with a solution for the consistent problem of boring, overused defenses that isn’t just a band-aid. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1276 "2016-11-15T19:08:26Z")
Hm. Brainstorming… 1. Require a player to set multiple defense teams. 2. Require that no two teams contain duplicate troops. 3. Randomly pick one of the defense teams for that player whenever they come up in PvP. The UI for that might get ugly, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1277 "2016-11-15T19:29:37Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > God bless, Mercy! mana drained mercy? ---
**Author:** ![Mahamoti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mahamoti/32/19354_2.png) [@Mahamoti](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mahamoti)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1278 "2016-11-15T19:32:51Z")
Throwing in my $0.02, though it might not be worth that. Manticore, Bone Dragon, and Famine are the ONLY troops I even have to care about on defense. I might lose 1 game in 50 against them. Almost every single other defense might as well be 4 blank troops. Is that the game you all want to play? I’m down for whatever adds some variety to PvP invades, but I don’t want “variety” to mean “I don’t even have to pay attention.” ---
**Author:** ![Esoxnepa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esoxnepa/32/1837_2.png) [@Esoxnepa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Esoxnepa)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1279 "2016-11-15T19:34:05Z")
Sirrian had mentioned battling the team that was used to invade. So I’m hoping that is something they are working on, and that it adds variety. Other ideas are good too. I’m waiting to see how the guardians figure into the Guild Wars patch too. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1280 "2016-11-15T19:38:21Z")
> [@Esoxnepa](#): > > battling the team that was used to invade. i think thats horrible idea leading to much easier pvp fights but lets move this subject to where it belongs please: > [@Worst Thing That's Ever Happened to Game](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/worst-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-game/11691/117): > > another great idea so i thought its worth to be put in the right topic: ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1281 "2016-11-15T19:38:58Z")
Yeah adding defense variety without a balance pass of older troops, would mean zilch. All the fights would just be “too” easy then. You need both I think. Which we agree a buff of older troops needs to happen. The top 10 troops have been the top for too long. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1282 "2016-11-15T19:40:39Z")
iny idea when will be the new maugrim legendary released? along with next week event perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1283 "2016-11-15T19:41:47Z")
Yes, along with next week’s event. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1284 "2016-11-15T19:42:25Z")
That was mentioned as an idea that when you do revenge battles you don’t fight attacker defending team but rather the team he used to attack your defending team. But that was way back when we had revenge panel. Now we just get +3 glory as one of the options (and they are considered revenge battles). ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1285 "2016-11-15T19:43:17Z")
what was its colors/spell again? we spammed the thing away :s ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1286 "2016-11-15T19:44:25Z")
> [@(!) Spoiler Alert (!) -- \[Any Details Provided are Subject to Change\] (Part 1)](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change/1280/1196): > > It’s been previously spoiled, but here it is again: ---
**Author:** ![KingDonaldTrump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kingdonaldtrump/32/13877_2.png) [@KingDonaldTrump](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KingDonaldTrump)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1287 "2016-11-15T19:47:39Z")
Any decent green beasts coming? Or green skull generators? ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1288 "2016-11-15T19:51:36Z")
Any more wolves coming down the pipeline? Like that surprise werewolf…I don’t like surprises. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/d/d810a715de93e3196bea3c8c46f42edad9227da8.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![kzintiwife](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kzintiwife/32/2350_2.png) [@kzintiwife](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kzintiwife)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1289 "2016-11-15T21:41:23Z")
> [@Mekkalyn](#): > > I changed my defense to a single Manticore and ever since I’ve never had a manticore team as my hardest option (well maybe once in a blue moon). i put mine in the 7k range, and also don’t see manticore much either. ---
**Author:** ![Mekkalyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mekkalyn/32/21868_2.png) [@Mekkalyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mekkalyn)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1290 "2016-11-15T22:28:54Z")
> [@Fifthelement](#): > > As for any other troop you mentioned, good luck charging them while there’s 2 (TWO) empowered manticores on the other side 😃 which after the initial cast require a whole grand 9 (NINE) mana to be ready to cast again. You think you can keep up with charging your super-anti-manticore team? I highly doubt that. You made all of the points I was going to say, but in a much meaner way. I liked your post for its message about manticore but you should consider being less combative. Typically when you attack people it makes them defensive and then there can be no discussion… it turns into little more than an argument. You have solid points that were demeaned by your derogatory statements. It blows my mind that people don’t see that this troop is overpowered compared to any other card. It does too much and on top of it is unenjoyable to go against. Let’s not forget this is a game and is supposed to be a pleasant time. But, back on point, next few weeks seem great. For the first time I will be trying out a beast team most likely with that new legendary added. And with setting my defense to something cheesy I can finally enjoy the game again and try out different things. It’s quite sad that I have to resort to that… we should be trying to make our defense as strong as possible. But, whatever. At least it’s a temporary solution ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/1291 "2016-11-15T22:34:27Z")
@Lyya any info of some incoming troops with necromancy? Or any souls bonus traits (maybe a new trait for that) [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280.md?page=63) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280.md?page=65)