# (!) Spoiler Alert (!) -- \[Any Details Provided are Subject to Change\] (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Spoilers\ **Created:** [November 13, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280 "2015-11-13T03:16:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 478
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 3:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9648 "2020-09-16T03:01:09Z")
On an unrelated note, I’m kinda surprised there hasn’t been a Mythic made with “Transform all Gems of a chosen color to Doomskulls” It would be very simple, but very effective and very mythic… ---
**Author:** ![Mana\_Surgeon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mana_surgeon/32/55678_2.png) [@Mana\_Surgeon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mana_Surgeon)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 3:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9649 "2020-09-16T03:49:01Z")
Agreed, Ishtara seems like too much work at this point, would need a bless-happy hero weapon to save it. (Still not as bad as Elemaugrim, for what it’s worth. Devs would be better off doing what they did with Elemaug and give Ishtara a completely unrelated 3rd trait rather than what they have currently.) ---
**Author:** ![HounganAtLarge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hounganatlarge/32/28697_2.png) [@HounganAtLarge](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HounganAtLarge)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9650 "2020-09-16T18:19:13Z")
Find it in a chest. Never, ever use it. Just what everyone wants to see in a mythic. ---
**Author:** ![mitamata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mitamata/32/10313_2.png) [@mitamata](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mitamata)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9651 "2020-09-16T18:57:40Z")
That’s most mythics these days ☹ It’s a tough thing to balance - you’ll only use a new troop if it’s better than something else you’re using, so to make it useful, they have to make it stronger, somehow. But they also need to avoid rapid power creep and the only way to keep that at bay is to make a lot of the troops “useless”. If you’re a new-ish player, with only a mythic or two, still missing legendaries, then most mythics that end-gamers consider “useless” can actually be very useful 🙂 I suspect those players are the main target audience for new mythics. ---
**Author:** ![Crow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/crow/32/44074_2.png) [@Crow](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Crow)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9652 "2020-09-16T19:00:32Z")
For me the real issue is when a Mythic doesn’t even work in a niche team. The real balance should be that every mythic had advantages over other in different situations. ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9653 "2020-09-16T19:20:21Z")
> [@mitamata](#): > > It’s a tough thing to balance - you’ll only use a new troop if it’s better than something else you’re using, so to make it useful, they have to make it stronger, somehow I just want a sidegrade for most of the newer mythics. It doesn’t have to be more powerful ---
**Author:** ![Tabu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tabu/32/63708_2.png) [@Tabu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tabu)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9654 "2020-09-16T19:41:48Z")
The whole point of a Mythic is for it to be better than all other tiers. In this game 10 or so Mythics fit that bill. The rest hardly compete against even Legendaries. ---
**Author:** ![Denthegod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/denthegod/32/69138_2.png) [@Denthegod](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Denthegod)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 12:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9655 "2020-09-17T00:29:32Z")
I agree with you. There’s some Mythics that I have no clue how they got that title and then there are legendaries that are actually better than a lot of the Mythics. ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9656 "2020-09-17T01:01:07Z")
That’s called creative bankruptcy. The developers are not interested in providing a good gaming experience anymore, so they can simply keep pushing more uninspired mythics that only works to fulfill the slot for the second Mythic for each kingdom. They will also keep pushing the same battle system, with shop and reward tiers, they will also place more gated status bonuses with ridiculous requirements like the books of deeds. ---
**Author:** ![holyporko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/holyporko/32/75733_2.png) [@holyporko](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/holyporko)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 11:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9657 "2020-09-19T23:09:05Z")
But Ishtara will only add a maximum of 3 (if entire team is blessed) cause himself wear off bless status when spell cast, right ? ---
**Author:** ![HounganAtLarge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hounganatlarge/32/28697_2.png) [@HounganAtLarge](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HounganAtLarge)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9658 "2020-09-20T00:30:46Z")
Bless happens after the cast, so it is technically possible he could bless himself. It’s even possible he could bless himself when the rest of the team is already blessed for max boost ratio. But I think winning the lottery will have better odds. ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9659 "2020-09-20T01:06:53Z")
> [@HounganAtLarge](#): > > Bless happens after the cast, so it is technically possible he could bless himself. It’s even possible he could bless himself when the rest of the team is already blessed for max boost ratio. It will never count itself as blessed for the boost ratio because the way spells process, even if there isn’t a targeting step, is for the “casting” step to process which removes all mana and “fragile” status effects (like bless) _then_ process every step of the spell. By the time the _first_ step of the spell is processed, Ishtara will _never_ be blessed, thus the maximum boost ratio is +3. It would require a base engine change to function otherwise, so I’m 99% confident this will release like this. Odds are the boost ratio _display_ will not reflect this, and indicate you can get a +4 while everyone is blessed, even though this has been an issue with several other troops reported multiple times at this point. (I believe the _only_ way for a fragile buff to be counted in a user’s own boost ratio in the current engine state is if the buff was granted “when I/ally casts a spell”, as this step is processed _before_ all spell steps but _should_ be _after_ the “casting” step, or as part of the same spell before the boost ratio is calculated) The main thing that the trait change does when changing from yellow gem matches to 50% when my turn begins is degrades the spell to a practically unusable level. There are plenty of existing troops that spawn between 8 and 11 gems that most people here have a good idea of the efficacy of a gem spawn on a stacked/neutral/bare board (both in terms of raw matches and extra turns) with a given spawn. The “matching yellow” version makes Ishtara a fairly consistent 9 or 10 spawner, occasionally 11, who can keep spawning at 9-11 until the spawn streak combo breaker kicks in or you just get unlucky, since casting the spell would probably re-bless someone (hopefully not ishtara, since it won’t matter) and casting a yellow generator would again probably bless someone to keep going. The “50% when my turn begins” version will likely Ishtara generally an 8 or 9 spawner on first cast. If you happen to get up to an 11 spawn through sheer luck and a lot of stalling, you’ll gradually get fewer blessed allies as you get a “lucky” skull cascade on the first troop or need to cast your generator, unless said generator _also_ blesses, which extremely pidgeonholes any valid combos already. The keep the turn synergy is entirely gone since you have to start _new_ turns to (potentially) get more bless. The first version is a troop you could potentially use as a win condition if there isn’t a lot of counterplay involved while also having a tool that is independently good, the second you are more than likely going to blow up in your face an unreasonable amount of time if you try to cast it while having a tool that is also significantly less good is _most_ situations. The second version trait could still be interesting if Ishtara had a bigger boost ratio on spawns per blessed ally (like, say, +2/3 per bless, for a huge amount of gem spawns with a good set up, but gradually less unless you use one of a handful of synergistic troops to reapply bless mid-turn without dropping the turn which makes the setup extremely clunky), but I’m not holding my breath. Still mostly “worse” than the first version, but at least interesting. “50% bless when my turn begins” I would argue is a decent trait in a vacuum (just decent, though, wouldn’t mind it on a defensively oriented troop that actually fits in a team where you’d want to stall, to fulfill that niche, _not_ a mythic), but it absolutely kills the potential of this spell, which makes the whole package rather lackluster. As was pointed out already, we don’t generally use a team slot for just passive bless. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 2:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9660 "2020-09-20T02:31:02Z")
I’m pretty sure I’m on board the “bring back Ishtara v1” train. I’m trying to think what kind of OP meta change might have been anticipated – maybe the devs were afraid of creating any further L&D-type builds with Orbweaver and a steady source of Bless? I struggle to think this would be the solution, though. Maybe they thought the looping was too strong, and she was too strong on her own without needing set-up troops to help. The Bless as part of the boost ratio is similar to any of the other troops boosted by Bless or Submerge – e.g. Vanya or Mervorax – or Voice of Orpheus, whose mana famously doesn’t count since it’s used up before a target is selected. On-cast effects happen first, as described above. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 3:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9661 "2020-09-20T03:24:38Z")
I mean, if they’re worried about that they should first consider nerfing freaking L&D itself. Seeing as a blind deaf mute - picking a random animal, I want to say _insect_? - who hasn’t played games before could figure that one out. ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 5:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9662 "2020-09-21T05:43:16Z")
new spoilers, nothing too new/surprising. lots of troop names, next faction quest line, arena event details… New Achievements: Crazy Pet Lady Collect 10 Pets Are you not Entertained? Complete an Arena Run with no losses The Better Part of Valor Earn 100 Valor in a single Arena Event Considering most other event Achievements aren’t too bad, this shouldn’t be either. Looks better than a stupid Epic Vault Key. OK, I guess this stuff might be interesting: We’re actually getting a > **Spoiler** > > Duskbringer The next faction troops being worked on (most likely) will be about Kobolds and it looks to be tied to **Emperinazar**. The other factions: Blackhawk: TheBlackHeart +2 Blue, +1 Purple, -1 Yellow Broken Spire: FireRift +2 Red, +1 Brown, -1 Blue Dragon’s Claw: Wyrmrun +2 Yellow, +1 Red, -1 Purple Ghulvania : DarkCourt +2 Purple, +1 Yellow, -1 Green Grosh-Nak: Dripping Caverns +2 Blue, +1 Green, -1 Red Karakoth: Duergaroth +2 Brown, +1 Purple, - 1 Green Khaziel: Emperinazar +2 Yellow, +1 Brown, - 1 Purple Maugrim Woods: HellGate +2 Brown, +1 Red, -1 Yellow Pridelands: IndrajitsDen +2 Red, +1 Purple, -1 Brown Wild Plains: TheLabyrinth +2 Green, +1 Red, -1 Yellow ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 6:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9663 "2020-09-21T06:43:15Z")
Future incoming KP: Bright Forest: KP 13 + 1 troop in progress (KP 14) Silverglade: KP 13 + 1 troop in progress (KP 14) Adana: KP 16 + 1 troop in progress (KP 17) Merlantis: KP 15 + 2 troops in progress (KP 17) Zhul’Kari: KP 12 + 1 troop in progress + 4 faction troops coming soon (KP 17) Suncrest: KP 15 + 3 troops in progress (KP 18) Khaziel: KP 14 + 1 troop in progress + 4 future faction troops (KP 19) Pan’s Vale: KP 17 + 2 troops in progress (KP 19) Maugrim Woods: KP 14 + 1 troop in progress + 4 future faction troops (KP 19) Whitehelm: KP 18 (coming soon) + 1 troop in progress (KP 19) Blighted Lands: KP 18 + 2 troops in progress (KP 20) Broken Spire: KP 14 + 2 troops in progress (1 bounty) + 4 future faction troops (KP 20) Khetar: KP 18 (coming soon) + 2 troops in progress (KP 20) Stormheim: KP 18 + 2 troops in progress (KP 20) Zaejin: KP 20 (coming soon) + 1 troop in progress (KP 21) Ghulvania: KP 17 + 2 troops in progress + 4 future faction troops (KP 23: 3 pets at Level 20) Others of note: Blackhawk: 4 future faction troops (KP 18) Pridelands: 4 future faction troops (KP 19) Dragon’s Claw: KP 15 (coming soon) + 4 future faction troops (KP 19) Grosh’Nak: KP 17 (coming soon) + 4 future faction troops (KP 21) Karakoth: 4 future faction troops (KP 21) Wild Plains: 4 future faction troops (KP 21) hopefully I didn’t miss anything too interesting ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 6:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9664 "2020-09-21T06:45:45Z")
Nice to know there are some incoming banner color combos that we sort of direly need, like a red/brown that doesn’t -1 purple, or blue/green/yellow that doesn’t -1 one of the three in that combination. ---
**Author:** ![mitamata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mitamata/32/10313_2.png) [@mitamata](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mitamata)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 6:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9665 "2020-09-21T06:57:50Z")
For me, the big one today is: [MINIGAME\_INTRO\_3000\_2] OLD: Choose from a random set of troops to take into a series of battles. Win up to **8 times** for increasing rewards. NEW: Choose from a random set of troops to take into a series of battles. Win up to **6 times** for increasing rewards. [MINIGAME\_INTRO\_3000\_3] OLD: Then see how many players you can beat before you suffer 2 defeats. Win **8 times** for a huge reward! NEW: Then see how many players you can beat before you suffer 2 defeats. Win **6 times** for a huge reward! And there was already [VIP\_BENEFIT\_ARENAWINS]: +%1 Starting Wins in Arena * * * The less I need to play the arena, the better 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 7:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9666 "2020-09-21T07:21:21Z")
on paper, that sounds good… but without knowing what they’ve done with the mode, its hard to tell if that’s actually a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/9667 "2020-09-21T10:19:42Z")
They will probably make whatever new arena thing they are dropping on us _more required_, without making it _better_. So whatever kind of process it is, we will “have to” do it and it will be lame. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280.md?page=477) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280.md?page=479)