# (!) Spoiler Alert (!) -- \[Any Details Provided are Subject to Change\] (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Spoilers\ **Created:** [November 13, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280 "2015-11-13T03:16:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/585 "2016-09-07T03:43:37Z")
A) That’s months away and (B) we have no clue what they intend. If they’re going to force me to use these underwhelming troops in order to win guild wars then I’m even _more_ upset! It’s not too much to ask for troops that are compelling in their own right and not just as a means to an end. ---
**Author:** ![Mitheithel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mitheithel/32/2352_2.png) [@Mitheithel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mitheithel)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 3:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/586 "2016-09-07T03:54:04Z")
Regarding the above six troops: By “max” stats, does that mean as a common? As in, before ascension? I had thought that they were supposed to be extra beefy once you’ve got them totally maxed out. Those stats don’t look very Mythic to me… ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 4:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/587 "2016-09-07T04:04:05Z")
> [@Mitheithel](#): > > Regarding the above six troops: By “max” stats, does that mean as a common? As in, before ascension? I had thought that they were supposed to be extra beefy once you’ve got them totally maxed out. Those stats don’t look very Mythic to me… Those are base stats. Factor in Kingdom Bonuses and soon Guild Bonuses and it’s a different story ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 4:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/588 "2016-09-07T04:18:23Z")
By way of comparison: GORGOTHA MAX Attack:16 Life:31 Armor:18 Magic:6 EMPEROR KHORVASH MAX Attack:18 Life:20 Armor:25 Magic:9 THE GREAT MAW MAX Attack:18 Life:35 Armor:12 Magic:0 TYRI MAX Attack:21 Life:25 Armor:10 Magic:9 ---
**Author:** ![Personette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/personette/32/3845_2.png) [@Personette](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Personette)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 5:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/589 "2016-09-07T05:52:14Z")
Is the mix of gem colors that the Guardians generate random? 14 gems but the mix of X and Y could be all X, all Y or anything in between? Because if so, that’s kind of interesting. It seems like they’ve decided that gem spawners shouldn’t spawn more than, what, 8 gems? So this way creates at least a roll-the-dice possibility of exceeding the maximum. ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 6:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/590 "2016-09-07T06:25:08Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > By way of comparison: By these numbers, the guardians’ max stats are not very good in comparison. They aren’t even good compared to commons’ max stats, as far as I can tell. This wouldn’t normally be an issue, except we were promised they would scale much better than usual with ascensions. So either your numbers are wrong, or something else is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 6:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/591 "2016-09-07T06:27:13Z")
Well, my numbers certainly are not final, but they come from the same source every other troop’s numbers come from, so unless they are accompanied by a mechanics change, they’re as accurate as anything else. It should note that Sirrian’s preview would be showing the troop Justice at about half of the kingdoms at PL5. ---
**Author:** ![GemsCollector](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@GemsCollector](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/GemsCollector)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/592 "2016-09-07T15:44:28Z")
What I’m curious is whether I can choose the same colour as the base one for the spell - e.g. create 14 Gems, a mixture of Brown and Brown using Honor. I guess no, but can anyone confirm/deny it? ---
**Author:** ![Sirrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sirrian/32/35758_2.png) [@Sirrian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sirrian)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/593 "2016-09-07T16:05:12Z")
> [@GemsCollector](#): > > I guess no, but can anyone confirm/deny it? You can’t choose the same color, but you CAN choose skulls, which can be a fun gamble There’s a few things on the guardians not final… still debating here whether that 14 should be a 15. I’m edging towards 15, but @Nimhain likes 14. Also Sacrifice has had quite a few changes since this data got pulled. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/594 "2016-09-07T17:17:19Z")
Here’s the latest I have on Sacrifice: SACRIFICE Common Eternals Elemental-Construct Arcane Surge (13 Purple) Create 14 Gems, a mixture of Purple and a chosen type. Kill a random Ally. All other allies gain [(Magic / 2) + 2] Magic. (Construct Bond, Life Drain, Virtue of Sacrifice) MAX Attack:16 Life:29 Armor:25 Magic:2 So Magic gain now scales with half Magic, mana cost is increased by one, and all base stats except Magic are higher than my previous pull. ---
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/595 "2016-09-07T17:23:51Z")
I hope you all are considering buffing the troops overall, both in terms of base stats and spells. Right now these are super underwhelming. Months worth of work as a Guild to get these very mediocre troops… ---
**Author:** ![Sirrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sirrian/32/35758_2.png) [@Sirrian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sirrian)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/596 "2016-09-07T17:25:37Z")
We’ve moved on a _little_ bit since then We found that killing a targeted ally was too strong. 1:1 Magic Gain also felt too strong, especially with two of these guys on a team. Random ally felt too much like it relied on luck though, so we’re ditching that. Currently investigating fixing it on a position, like LAST ally. The main problem is how these guys (possibly x2) synergize really well with a Draakulis or Crimson Bat for the AoE true damage We’d probably have redesigned him, except that he’s really fun to play with! @Studs… they’re definitely not final, though… the ones you’ve likely seen here are missing a bunch of stats. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 5:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/597 "2016-09-07T17:31:23Z")
Ah, the foibles of data-mining. Considering the current pull clearly still has numbers and mechanics in flux, I don’t think it makes much sense for me to go back and update the other Guardians now. I’ll wait for the update accompanying the 2.1 change. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/598 "2016-09-07T20:40:30Z")
Could do something so that the stat boosted depended somehow on the troop sacrificed… Like add its stats one by one each to random allies… Like a team ‘devour’, including its magic… (So that’s an illustration, not a serious idea… Or is it…) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/599 "2016-09-08T06:26:41Z")
I thought the majority of players were against team devours so it got changed… 😭 ---
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 2:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/600 "2016-09-11T14:16:18Z")
It’s that time again… Only 3 kingdoms left with 8 troops: Adana, Glacial Peaks, and Leonis. So I’m guessing we get the 3 Adana troops tomorrow? ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/601 "2016-09-11T14:21:21Z")
Oh please be Adana. They’ve been in the worst place since _ever_ … Just don’t do Minor Fire. That would suck. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/602 "2016-09-11T14:52:29Z")
EDIT: Below information is inaccurate. The troops have been rescheduled for a later event. Adana is another week away, I think. This week is: GRAND INQUISITOR Epic Whitehelm Divine-Human Rites of Faith (13 Red/Yellow) Deal [Magic + 4] damage to an enemy, boosted by the number of Whitehelm allies. Gain Barrier. [5x] (Divine Bond, Daemon Slayer, Air Spirit) MAX Attack:19 Life:25 Armor:15 Magic:8 PENITENT Common Whitehelm Human Flagellate (7 Blue) Place Death Mark on the first and last enemies. Take 5 damage. (Cursed, Human Bond, Doom) MAX Attack:14 Life:34 Armor:4 Magic:0 ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/603 "2016-09-11T15:14:01Z")
I tried that kingdom and didn’t get any graphics showing up (cycling through kingdom tabs like we did for others). Seeing three new ones in Adana though. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/604 "2016-09-11T15:15:27Z")
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