# (!) Spoiler Alert (!) -- \[Any Details Provided are Subject to Change\] (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Spoilers\ **Created:** [November 13, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280 "2015-11-13T03:16:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Nimhain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nimhain/32/47049_2.png) [@Nimhain](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nimhain)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/181 "2016-06-06T04:06:24Z")
Also please remember that troops coming soon are subject to change between now and their release. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/182 "2016-06-06T04:07:26Z")
Yes i forgot to mention that. Some troops i do not want to see changed are the dragon counter and the egyptian troops. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/183 "2016-06-06T04:08:15Z")
> [@killerman3333](#): > > have noticed a resurgence in dragon based teams so a hard counter to that is interesting even though dragons are not yet prevalent. I rarely ever see full Dragon teams anymore. There is a fantastic counter to them already in Paladin and the weapon Order and Chaos. ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/184 "2016-06-06T04:17:34Z")
The Settite Warrior strikes me as a Blue/Green troop more than a Brown/Green troop. The Anubite Warrior’s Spell seems expensive for the effect and he seems to fit better as Brow/Purple, but i guess we already have tons of Purple troops on Khertar and we just had a buff to summoned troops, better wait to see how things will roll. ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/185 "2016-06-06T04:33:14Z")
Well guess this means they may end up doing a troop rebalance for Khetar and Drifting Sands… though I can’t think of anyone in DS who may need a balance. ---
**Author:** ![Zelfore](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zelfore/32/22295_2.png) [@Zelfore](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zelfore)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 9:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/186 "2016-06-06T09:47:13Z")
> [@Shiratori](#): > > and Drifting Sands… though I can’t think of anyone in DS who may need a balance. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/2/2ec86696f335982b857551d15ffb759416b349d4.png) ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 1:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/187 "2016-06-06T13:05:54Z")
I don’t know what you mean… ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 2:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/188 "2016-06-06T14:10:30Z")
By the way, check out Spirit Fox. An empowered troop that drains mana and destroys yellow gems? I wonder what _that_ could be in response to. Hmmmmm. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/189 "2016-06-06T14:24:54Z")
@Grundulum It was probably the most obvious a Maw/Mercy counter they could have made. The constant bending to the community’s whining is borderline pathetic ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/190 "2016-06-06T14:34:59Z")
I’d rather see a “hard counter” to Mercy than to see her nerfed. If this makes people happy enough to field a team against her on defense, I can still use her in a dozen invade teams as-is. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Koolbiird](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/koolbiird/32/5099_2.png) [@Koolbiird](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Koolbiird)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/191 "2016-06-06T14:35:03Z")
> [@TaliaParks](#): > > The constant bending to the community’s whining is borderline pathetic Some things are better left unsaid. Not everything in your head warrants sunlight. If you don’t have anything nice to say; read another thread. ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/192 "2016-06-06T14:44:09Z")
Why is it a problem to include counters to any particular team or troop? I don’t follow your reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/193 "2016-06-06T14:51:53Z")
This is exactly why I think hard counters don’t go far enough. They don’t work on defense, so it still leaves an OP team OP and enables players to too-easily chew threw battles. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/194 "2016-06-06T15:45:33Z")
The thing with that ‘hard-counter’ is that it doesn’t prevent you from facerolling with Maw-Mercy. Or very little anyway. You can cast Mercy first thing, or it might target another troop with the ability (although it’d still remove the yellows I guess). Meanwhile, if you’re actually using the troop itself, you can cast _it_ before Mercy. So its a win for the player, whether they’re using Mercy or trying to counter Mercy. May as well be still running Mercy herself as a counter. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/195 "2016-06-06T15:46:39Z")
Spirit fox is more like a hard counter to empowered troops in general even though his effect seems related to mercy. However it seems mighty convenient that they had that troop in the files 2 weeks after mercy/maw teams showed up. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/196 "2016-06-06T16:00:57Z")
The only Empowered troop that “needs” a counter is Mercy, though. (Or maybe Scale Guard now that 4 can assassinate you!) ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/197 "2016-06-06T16:15:55Z")
None of these troops actually need a hard counter. Maws third trait is a nuisance as it is basically a coin toss that can effectively decide the battle ( it **can** , but it doesn’t most of the time even when it triggers once, i mostly can comeback from that, multiple procs of it though…)but very rarely will you lose a battle because of it if you play cautious. Maws third trait is the only thing i see as problematic from all the discussed troops. Mercy is a weakness in defend teams, i am mostly happy facing a Mercy even after having dropped Maw and Mercy from my invade team, an enemy Mercy still fills up my Valkyrie and gets things going faster for me. So i really still don’t get why people see her as a problem, and yes i am still not getting tired of calling people out for it. Scale Guard, seriously? They don’t chain, they don’t do anything amazing or surprising after they might kill your first troop, and they are easily beaten with just 3 or even 2 of your team, though mostly they are already dead before they get to kill more than one troop. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/198 "2016-06-06T17:43:21Z")
Couldn’t agree more, @Gouki. Aside from Maw, everything else is manageable if you play smart. (Which is something I adore about this game!) Mercy? Bait her into giving you yellow 4-5 matches. You get to go first, after all. Annoying spell about to go off? Buy some time by baiting the AI into a skull match instead. Even Maw’s spell is no problem. It’s just the extremely-powerful 3rd trait that makes Maw dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/199 "2016-06-06T17:44:26Z")
Never presume to tell me what to do. Also, if you want to give advice, follow it yourself. ✌ ---
**Author:** ![Koolbiird](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/koolbiird/32/5099_2.png) [@Koolbiird](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Koolbiird)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/spoiler-alert-any-details-provided-are-subject-to-change-part-1/1280/200 "2016-06-06T17:50:12Z")
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