# Soulforge rant about a mythic not appearing **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [January 7, 2019, 9:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/soulforge-rant-about-a-mythic-not-appearing/50826 "2019-01-07T09:49:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Chalky123](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/chalky123/32/51341_2.png) [@Chalky123](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Chalky123)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 9:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/soulforge-rant-about-a-mythic-not-appearing/50826/1 "2019-01-07T09:49:48Z")
So i’ve been saving shards for pk, missing mythics i also wanted because pk “was in the forge”. It was released on Nov 02. The new cycle was Nov 12. Over a week away. So PK was released fully… But wasn’t in the forge? How long do mythics have to be released for them to appear in the forge? a week (obvious not a week) a month? 3 months? ---
**Author:** ![Nullings](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nullings/32/39207_2.png) [@Nullings](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nullings)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 10:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/soulforge-rant-about-a-mythic-not-appearing/50826/2 "2019-01-07T10:00:26Z")
“pk” = “The Possessed King”? Can people write names properly? ---
**Author:** ![GemsOfWar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/2acd7d/32.png) [@GemsOfWar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/GemsOfWar)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 10:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/soulforge-rant-about-a-mythic-not-appearing/50826/3 "2019-01-07T10:45:58Z")
+1 to help newer players/forum members Best practice would be to use the full name the first time then use the abbreviation But at least use the standard abbreviation for the troop! e.g. The Possessed King = TPK ---
**Author:** ![Chalky123](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/chalky123/32/51341_2.png) [@Chalky123](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Chalky123)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 10:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/soulforge-rant-about-a-mythic-not-appearing/50826/4 "2019-01-07T10:53:06Z")
Id rather have stuff implemented “correctly” than worry about using acrynms. Such as class weapons being implemented correctly (got that right last time) and mythics being added to a new cycle if they were release before the cycle started (and FYI PK was released before the cycle). ---
**Author:** ![GemsOfWar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/2acd7d/32.png) [@GemsOfWar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/GemsOfWar)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 11:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/soulforge-rant-about-a-mythic-not-appearing/50826/5 "2019-01-07T11:10:37Z")
Check here for useful info: [SoulForge Troops](https://www.taransworld.com/SoulForge/) But please remember it’s not all about you, even if you do use some initiative and create a thread, consider helping others who use the forum too, it really does not take much effort ---
**Author:** ![Chalky123](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/chalky123/32/51341_2.png) [@Chalky123](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Chalky123)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 12:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/soulforge-rant-about-a-mythic-not-appearing/50826/6 "2019-01-07T12:07:52Z")
Soul forge. Last cycle, cycle 8. started Nov 12. When did TPK come out? Oh. Nov 02. So it was out just over a week before a new cycle. I get what you’re saying “Don’t abbreviate, so new players can understand better” but right now, the mythic’s name isn’t important. The fact that it wasn’t added at all to the cycle, despite being added a week before the cycle started, is the important issue. Had it not been TPK, and instead was Irongut, there might be a lot more people annoyed. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/soulforge-rant-about-a-mythic-not-appearing/50826/7 "2019-01-07T15:27:30Z")
Your last post is more like what your first post would’ve looked like. If players are unfamiliar with the abbreviations you’re using, then devs are too. If a dev has to ask you a question, that can add a lot of time to how long your question sits unanswered. You do yourself a disservice when you further dilute your thread by arguing with the people who try to help you understand this. A possible explanation for the situation stems from something different I don’t fully know how to explain. It’s clear Soulforge picks troops that are “in the chest rotation”. But there are at least two points where a mythic might “be in the chest rotation”. It _could be_ when the mythic first releases. Or it _could be_ something more complex. When most troops release, they are available in one particular kind of chest (legendaries) or a particular store (event/glory troops). They don’t appear in the chest rotation for 2-4 weeks. I’m not sure if mythics follow that rule, but it’s possible a mythic isn’t fully “released” until 2-4 weeks after it is featured. That would explain this situation. Maybe someone else will go through the cycle history to see if there is evidence of how this works. I remember in the early cycles we had some discussion about how it was handled, but I do not remember if we figured out how it worked. My suspicion is it _is_ true that a mythic isn’t “released” until 2-4 weeks after it is featured, because it’s just what happened. A lot of GoW mechanics have silly complex features like this, and aren’t fully documented except through oral histories maintained by forum regulars. ---
**Author:** ![Chalky123](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/chalky123/32/51341_2.png) [@Chalky123](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Chalky123)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/soulforge-rant-about-a-mythic-not-appearing/50826/8 "2019-01-07T16:28:16Z")
So A few dates to add to determining the times. Weaver was released on AUg 03. And wasnt added into the cycle that started in Aug 06. Megavore was added on Sep 07, but wasnt added into the cycle that started Sep 24. Fallen valis was added on oct 05. Was added into the next cycle which started Nov 12. TPK (possed king) Was added Nov02. Wasnt added into the next cycle that started Nov 12. Irongut. Was added Dec 07. Unsure whether it’s added into this cycle, starting jan07. The longest difference where it wasnt added is 17 days. The shortest distance where it was added is currently 38 (5 weeks 3 days), If Irongut is in this cycle, it’s 4 weeks 3 days. It’s just odd because i’m sure people still find a particular mythic days after it’s no longer the exclusive mythic. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/soulforge-rant-about-a-mythic-not-appearing/50826/9 "2019-01-07T16:45:55Z")
Yeah, that data seems consistent with, “A troop is only eligible for Soulforge if it is available in the normal chest rotation when the cycle starts.” Mythic week is not a normal chest rotation, so it doesn’t count. - Weaver, Megavore, and TPK were added in a cycle later than the 2-4 week “exclusive” period. - Fallen Valdis and TPK were not added to a cycle that started during their “exclusive” period. - Irongut is inconclusive, because we haven’t seen this cycle in entirety. I agree with you it’s “odd”, because it means the concept “Is a mythic released yet?” isn’t as simple as, “Is it possible to own it?” ---
**Author:** ![Dorgath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dfb087/32.png) [@Dorgath](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dorgath)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/soulforge-rant-about-a-mythic-not-appearing/50826/10 "2019-01-07T21:46:10Z")
> [@Soulforge Mythic Rotation](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/soulforge-mythic-rotation/39308): > > Current rotation began Monday November 12 (one troop) and will end with one troops on November 12. The next rotation will start with one troop on January 7. Last updated November 13, 2018. Troops in Soulforge this week: Gargantaur (last troop in previous rotation) Draakulis Gard’s Avatar Megavore Troops available to appear next week: Abynissia Arachnean Weaver Champion of Anu Death Doomclaw Elemaugrim Euryali Fallen Valdis Famine Gargantaur Infernus Jotnar Stormshield Ketras the Bull Pha… This may help, although slightly old since it’s no longer maintained. But Stan noted: > [@](#): > > Based on the first three rotations, it appears that new mythics are introduced only at the start of a rotation which begins approximately 4 weeks after their initial release. This assumption may be fine-tuned if any exceptions to this hypothesis occur. Edit to add: based on Ubastet being introduced into rotation 5, which started two weeks after it was released, it seems that newly released mythics might appear in any rotation which starts after the troop is released. So things could have further changed… ---
**Author:** ![CliffyA](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cliffya/32/28952_2.png) [@CliffyA](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CliffyA)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2019, 12:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/soulforge-rant-about-a-mythic-not-appearing/50826/11 "2019-01-08T00:40:13Z")
I think you’ve basically got it. Troops are not eligible for Soulforge until 4 weeks after release. Troops that are not in gold/glory chests are not eligible (treasure gnomes). Troops are only added to the available pool when it resets, assuming they are eligible at that time. So this week was the first chance for The Possessed King to appear.