# Some use a trainer **URL:** \ **Category:** Support\ **Created:** [October 13, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537 "2017-10-13T23:37:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 9:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/88 "2017-10-17T09:30:21Z")
Agree with the two posters above. The lack of transparency around what accounts have been banned is certainly strange and not required. ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 9:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/89 "2017-10-17T09:42:23Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > We do not comment on these instances and name and shame as it lowers morale and fosters a volatile community. I haven’t seen anyone asking you to name and shame anyone people just want to know that you are investigating their reports and taking action if required. A weekly post saying something like 10 people were banned for botting and another 10 were banned for using trainers their guilds have had some trophies removed and the cost of their tasks increased for the week thank you to everyone that sent in cheating reports. That way you are showing cheaters that they will be found out and punished and you are showing legit people that you are investigating their reports. You wouldn’t be mentioning names or guild names or commenting on individual cases I don’t see how that would be a problem for anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Ferumbras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ferumbras/32/30393_2.png) [@Ferumbras](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ferumbras)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 9:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/90 "2017-10-17T09:55:42Z")
> [@Maxx](#): > > You wouldn’t be mentioning names or guild names or commenting on individual cases I don’t see how that would be a problem for anyone. There is absolutely no harm in naming and shaming convicted cheaters. ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 10:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/91 "2017-10-17T10:01:20Z")
> [@Ferumbras](#): > > There is absolutely no harm in naming and shaming convicted cheaters. I agree but the devs just don’t want too ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 10:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/92 "2017-10-17T10:03:18Z")
I have already stated that we have banned over 20 players this week that were largely reported to us through support. Though I know some of you want names, it is not the way we want to proceed with either allegations or bans so we won’t be releasing them to the community. ---
**Author:** ![LastGrim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lastgrim/32/31495_2.png) [@LastGrim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LastGrim)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 10:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/93 "2017-10-17T10:07:52Z")
Community will not be more loyal from seeing that whole guilds deceit and go top with impunity .The feeling of helplessness is not conducive to this. Trying to reach a good level in the game requires a lot of effort. But everything is broken about cheating ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 10:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/94 "2017-10-17T10:10:40Z")
Not naming those banned only serves for those that reported such behaviour to wonder whether anything was actually done. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Sergio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b77776/32.png) [@Sergio](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sergio)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 10:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/95 "2017-10-17T10:13:43Z")
I agree 100%, I do not understand why you can not give out lists of banned? it will be useful both with discipline and with the purchase of vip. you want to earn money? so the fight against cheating is a primary goal, not the creation of new soldiers. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Unforgiven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/the_unforgiven/32/24199_2.png) [@The\_Unforgiven](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/The_Unforgiven)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 10:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/96 "2017-10-17T10:14:22Z")
It looks better to the mass user base if it is hidden, but, those in the know can see the truth. Just propaganda really. ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 10:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/97 "2017-10-17T10:33:39Z")
I wasn’t taking about an odd comment here and there saying you banned a few people I was talking about every week stating how many people got banned for what and if their guilds were punished or not. ---
**Author:** ![Aelthwyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/aelthwyn/32/4645_2.png) [@Aelthwyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Aelthwyn)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/98 "2017-10-17T11:10:25Z")
The legitimacy of the PVP rankings and the actions taken by the devs to detect and ban cheaters have been questioned for quite some time, with reason, I think. > [@PvP rankings are a joke](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677): > > Whats the point of PvP rankings when they dont show the real situation? Right now i have 580 trophies for this week and almost 10k pvp points. But the ranking says in around 31.000 postion? Are you freaking kidding me? Where are those 1000 guilds full of 30 members where every member earns 600+ trophies? Where are those 30.000 players earning 600+ trophies? Why are the numbers so much bloated up? Its one thing putting in a few generated bot accounts on ranks above 100 to give a sensation of… However many things have changed since last spring. Everyone can see the people who are at the top of the LB. It is easy to notice if something doesn’t seem humanly possible and to report them, and sometimes to notice that someone has been banned. But now the top guilds have deserted PVP to grind trophies in the arena. Players are invisible in the arena. It is impossible to detect anything. It is more or less the same with GW. In the case of the guild to which this thread alludes, it seems to the OP and to some readers that very visibly something going wrong. But what if only a couple of HL members of a guild were using a trainer? It would have an impact on the score and the ranking of that guild but it is highly probable that the opponents as well as the guildmates of those players would praise the outstanding results without noticing anything. So it seems to me that the question of cheating and how it is dealt with is more crucial than ever. ---
**Author:** ![Ninertwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ninertwo/32/31489_2.png) [@Ninertwo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ninertwo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/100 "2017-10-17T15:12:03Z")
I feel a lot of the problem is that GW is so secretive. You only see who you’re facing for the week. I’d love to see it more like a MLB or NHL scorecard where everyone can see everyone’s performance. I wanna be able to see who’s playing who and what everyone’s score is. It would be a heck of a lot more transparent and any malfeasance would be easily detected. ---
**Author:** ![Esoxnepa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esoxnepa/32/1837_2.png) [@Esoxnepa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Esoxnepa)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/101 "2017-10-17T15:52:23Z")
@Saltypatra Has a policy been developed for once a certain percentage of members of a guild get banned for using a “Trainer” the guild gets disbanded? If there isn’t yet a formal policy, then like the GW collusion policy, this needs to be addressed and formalized sooner rather than later. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/102 "2017-10-17T15:54:14Z")
> [@Ninertwo](#): > > any malfeasance would be easily detected And what good would it do? It appears to me that nothing has been done anyway so it really doesnt matter. My guild has made every effort to advance in GW but this whole thing just illustrates how pointless it all is. Since some guilds can just cheat and get all the rewards it just shafts those of us who play fair… Its disheartening to say the least. What do i say to my guild as to why we can only ever get so far before we hit a “cheat wall” no matter how hard we try? At this point i am of the opinion that GW should be scrapped until there is a reliable way to ensure its legitimacy. Vangor-Gems of the Ostfront ---
**Author:** ![vanyel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vanyel/32/32071_2.png) [@vanyel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/vanyel)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/103 "2017-10-17T17:02:36Z")
Well, seeing the guild in question is at least 50k points behind 2nd to last in the bracket and dead last means they’re either all in a time zone that hasn’t woken up already or they lost a number of players ‘suddenly and unexpectedly’. My guess is the latter since more than half the day is gone. ---
**Author:** ![AngryMidget](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/angrymidget/32/10478_2.png) [@AngryMidget](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AngryMidget)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/104 "2017-10-17T17:29:32Z")
When they were in Bracket 6 with me a couple of weeks ago they did very little until Sunday when they rocketed from dead last to being way out in front. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/105 "2017-10-17T17:58:23Z")
Not to mention they may be in a timezone where its the middle of the night… Like russia or something… ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/106 "2017-10-17T18:37:59Z")
@Saltypatra I understand your reasoning for not posting the names of the players that are being banned. But realistically how else is the community supposed to know that actions are being made? If you don’t want to call out individual players. Perhaps, call out the Guild Name instead and attach a number of players banned to it. For example: Banned this week: Sparkle Ponies - 1 player level 38 Those concerned or that have suspicions will feel validated while still protecting the players individual identity. ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/107 "2017-10-17T19:29:08Z")
It would make more sense for them to write “Banned: Level 38 player on X date” without the guild affiliation. Otherwise, the negative drama that Salty talked about will just get directed at the named guilds versus the banned individual. ---
**Author:** ![Delinquent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Delinquent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Delinquent)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537/108 "2017-10-17T19:31:15Z")
Games shouldn’t be in the habit of calling out every time anyone is banned. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537.md?page=4) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/some-use-a-trainer/31537.md?page=6)