# So what exactly determines pvp point win/loss?

**URL:** <https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-what-exactly-determines-pvp-point-win-loss/7413>\
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\
**Created:** [May 26, 2016, 1:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-what-exactly-determines-pvp-point-win-loss/7413 "2016-05-26T13:21:59Z")\
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**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 1:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-what-exactly-determines-pvp-point-win-loss/7413/1 "2016-05-26T13:21:59Z")

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It clearly isn’t the compared team scores, as it is determined before you pick your team and doesn’t change after the pick.  
So how exactly is the pvp point win/loss amount calculated?

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**Author:** ![Larohar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/larohar/32/2685_2.png) [@Larohar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Larohar)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-what-exactly-determines-pvp-point-win-loss/7413/2 "2016-05-26T14:03:57Z")

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it is a mystery… i wasn’t looking too close and just picked the hardest opponent most of the time (unless there was some bonus glory on one of the other two) until I just realized that the weakest opponent for some reason gives a lot of points (for me at least):

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(I removed the names, no bug)

I guess the formula is:

- much weaker team
- much lower level
- much lower rank  
 → 16 points  
🤓

(I am level ~890 btw)

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**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-what-exactly-determines-pvp-point-win-loss/7413/3 "2016-05-26T14:31:11Z")

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I have a theory that it’s actually tied to your Defense team’s Team Score (at least to some degree), but haven’t had a chance to test it properly, especially not since they’ve adjusted the matchmaking.