# So how is everyone experiencing the console cascades? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [June 21, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097 "2017-06-21T19:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Macawi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/macawi/32/21289_2.png) [@Macawi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Macawi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/161 "2017-06-29T02:24:51Z")
@Alpheon, I think that you have adjusted it too much. Games for me are lasting much,much longer. Somewhere in the middle of where you adjusted it to would be better in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 2:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/162 "2017-06-29T02:26:45Z")
I’m reading that it was apparently _never_ an issue on Console, because they never had the spawn streak breaker period. ---
**Author:** ![Alpheon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/alpheon/32/52212_2.png) [@Alpheon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Alpheon)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 2:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/163 "2017-06-29T02:30:41Z")
The behaviour @Mithran documented was a bug in our gem spam adjustments. Console hasn’t been affected by the changes at all to it yet, so it will still create 15 new gems randomly on the board, and not overwrite its own colour. We’ll take the feedback from people and balance the adjustment further if need be ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 2:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/164 "2017-06-29T02:32:32Z")
@Stan 3 months bro i hope you are patient 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![moredrinks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90db22/32.png) [@moredrinks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/moredrinks)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 2:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/165 "2017-06-29T02:32:34Z")
Random Gem spawners are like completely useless ATM, they were amazing a few hours ago… Mostly just feeds the opponent a million 4 gem combos qq (PC) ---
**Author:** ![beanie42](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/beanie42/32/19802_2.png) [@beanie42](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/beanie42)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 2:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/166 "2017-06-29T02:35:53Z")
Just chiming in that the looping is fixed, but it’s so fixed as to be nearly impossible to get a third turn now. ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 2:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/167 "2017-06-29T02:37:47Z")
I don’t care if they don’t overwrite, why just not reduce the gem creation? ---
**Author:** ![happy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f05b48/32.png) [@happy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/happy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/168 "2017-06-29T03:19:07Z")
You can hold your breath that long ricky lol ---
**Author:** ![Strawnyy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/strawnyy/32/30688_2.png) [@Strawnyy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strawnyy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/169 "2017-06-29T03:24:21Z")
Welp… There is not even a loop in the game now 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Arturo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@Arturo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arturo)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 3:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/170 "2017-06-29T03:26:16Z")
RIP trolls, Krakens, Elemaugrims, and all other random spawners. You were fun while you lasted, but alas, Gems of War isn’t supposed to be fun I guess. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Macawi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/macawi/32/21289_2.png) [@Macawi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Macawi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/171 "2017-06-29T03:28:09Z")
I don’t think that this change will last for long. Gem spawners are mostly obsolete as of now. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/172 "2017-06-29T03:31:26Z")
I just tested the gem change on stream. It makes nearly all gem spawning troops seem weak, particularly ones that are 8 or less gem spawn. Only seems to be re-promoting the explosion meta of never touching the board or the increased use of specific convert troops like Valkyrie, Giant Spider, etc… ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/173 "2017-06-29T03:33:15Z")
Heres an example of what I am experiencing post fix. Heavy spawners on stacked boards will fail to get the extra turn _most_ of the time. I’m not sure if this is bias given what we know now, but it seems to be _especially_ bad after you have already gained 1 or more extra turns. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/9/49bca09159ed33145c4653386c39305ca8f69623.jpeg "Gems of War - Gem Spawns (3.0.5 PC Unity Post-fix)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaEy9ZJGBtY) ---
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 3:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/174 "2017-06-29T03:37:41Z")
I cast elemaugrim with 29 purples on the board and 3 burning opponents, and didn’t get a match 4. ---
**Author:** ![Arturo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@Arturo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arturo)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 3:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/175 "2017-06-29T03:37:47Z")
yup, that was more or less what i was experiencing. I can remember at least one Kraken cast with 14 on the board that didn’t give a single 4+. Also several troll casts of 12 or more (so a spawn of 16) that didn’t give me a turn. Very not happy right now. Back to boring explosions I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Macawi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/macawi/32/21289_2.png) [@Macawi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Macawi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/176 "2017-06-29T03:38:46Z")
We used to have a ‘combo breaker’ on the game, but now we have a ‘combo eliminator’ 😁 I’m just joking though, surely this change will be tweaked a bit more. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 3:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/177 "2017-06-29T03:40:29Z")
I have to wonder: what was wrong with the old PC/Air algorithm that seemed to spawn gems randomly but would overwrite existing gems of the same color? Nobody was complaining about spawners then, and they seemed to be in a good place to me… ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 3:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/178 "2017-06-29T03:48:57Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > I have to wonder: what was wrong with the old PC/Air algorithm that seemed to spawn gems randomly but would overwrite existing gems of the same color? Nobody was complaining about spawners then, and they seemed to be in a good place to me… The thing is, what I’m seeing with the spawners _now_ is pretty close to how they worked with the PC Adobe version/how they worked on mobile during my testing. I believe having spawners broken for a single week has colored impressions a _lot_, even for people that have played for years. Nobody complained about spawners before because they were largely unused and already regarded as trash. This could be partially _because_ they are intentionally made to miss. I mentioned that several times in the posts where I was outlining the bug, because most of them _never_ felt right in the old version. Alternating converters + spawners (9+ only) is still about as reliable as it was on Adobe (Jarl/Hellcat, for example), but when you lose so much ground from _one_ critical failure after dealing a bunch of chip damage, it basically just isn’t worth it most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 3:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/179 "2017-06-29T03:52:19Z")
> [@Mithran](#): > > Nobody complained about spawners before because they were largely unused and already regarded as trash. Ding ding ding I really enjoyed being able to use them for the short time we could. Alas. ---
**Author:** ![Arturo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@Arturo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arturo)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/180 "2017-06-29T03:56:39Z")
> [@Rasper](#): > > I really enjoyed being able to use them for the short time we could. Alas. Right, we only experimented at the tip of the iceberg, and they got snatched away before we could really see what they were capable of. I’m going to miss playing with them ☹ [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097.md?page=8) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097.md?page=10)