# Slight improvement on console meta team **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PlayStation/Xbox)\ **Created:** [September 26, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980 "2016-09-26T20:38:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![VegaDark541](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vegadark541/32/7875_2.png) [@VegaDark541](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/VegaDark541)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/1 "2016-09-26T20:38:50Z")
Ok, right now the console meta is: Maw Infernal King Mercy Sheggra / Jarl Firemantle However, I have discovered that placing Valkyrie in slot 4 is just as effective as Sheggra or Jarl. Matches will go slower, but the win rate is still nearly 100%. If you still need souls, which almost everyone on console still does, I find this new team with Valkyrie a very good improvement. In exchange for a bit slower matches, you are getting souls at a far faster rate. I’ve played about 20 matches so far with this team and still have not come close to losing, even in the rare case where the AI gets lucky and kills Maw. There is regular mana runoff for both yellow and red, so Valk charges naturally. Also, if you have a very poor start when it comes to being able to charge Maw, a good viable backup is usually charging Valk, casting her spell, and clearing the board of a couple less useful colors to allow for a Mercy match of yellow/purples. If you don’t need souls, the original team is still the best (I’ve played quite a few with both Jarl and Sheggra, and I’d give the slight edge to Jarl) as you will run through matches faster than with Valk, but if you still need souls I would consider this an improved team considering your odds of winning don’t really drop. ---
**Author:** ![wskill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/wskill/32/1119_2.png) [@wskill](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/wskill)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 9:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/2 "2016-09-27T09:37:12Z")
“the console meta” Oh boy… :') Just no… Besides i can think of atleast 5 teams more effective than that, yeah 'think. Not look up, make myself. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 9:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/3 "2016-09-27T09:45:54Z")
I have convinced myself to stick with the above team (sheggra, not jarl) until Mab shows up. Then it will be Valkryie time for the foreseeable as I also envisage using Khorvash and War. ---
**Author:** ![Kurokazna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kurokazna/32/11246_2.png) [@Kurokazna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kurokazna)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 10:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/4 "2016-09-27T10:01:44Z")
Once Maw gets nerfed into the ground, swap Maw for Khorvash, which will come shortly after. Same play style, almost as broken. Also, refilling Mercy isn’t exactly always the best option. So while you _can_ use Valkyrie, you’re often better off with either Sheggra, who will pretty much reset the board after it has been set up by IK to give you more mana and a continued loop, or something to more directly fill Infernal King, like Alchemist or Giant Spider. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 10:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/5 "2016-09-27T10:08:38Z")
My Maw isn’t even traited (😭) but still find the team incredibly fast. Often wins without losing a turn; I am only rank 350 though ---
**Author:** ![Kurokazna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kurokazna/32/11246_2.png) [@Kurokazna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kurokazna)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 10:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/6 "2016-09-27T10:10:46Z")
Then with a traited Khorvash (Stock up on Shields), the team will be even more hilariously overpowered. See that Gorgotha? You just dealt it 78 damage with skulls. Bye, Gorgotha. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 10:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/7 "2016-09-27T10:16:24Z")
Sorry, where does the 78 damage come from? ---
**Author:** ![Kurokazna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kurokazna/32/11246_2.png) [@Kurokazna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kurokazna)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 10:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/8 "2016-09-27T10:17:17Z")
Personal experience and max HP of a random Gorgotha that got stunned then skull’d to death today. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 10:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/9 "2016-09-27T10:24:42Z")
Oh, effectively 78 damage as stun has removed Gorgothas armour? (21 attack x4 on Gor) You live in NY. I envy you. ---
**Author:** ![Kurokazna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kurokazna/32/11246_2.png) [@Kurokazna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kurokazna)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 10:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/10 "2016-09-27T10:28:11Z")
Something like that. I could likely go find another Gorgotha to test this on if I can get another board setup that nice, and another person with all kingdoms five-starred. How is NY relevant to this, though? And the area is fairly nice, except in the winter, which is going to effectively start in like two weeks and last until mid-May.Then, it is basically Hell (Michigan). But with more snow. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 10:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/11 "2016-09-27T10:34:45Z")
It is irrelevant. Khorvash is useful against armoured tanks then. Though he should be used with crimson bat instead of a skull gen regardless, I presume. ---
**Author:** ![Kurokazna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kurokazna/32/11246_2.png) [@Kurokazna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kurokazna)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 10:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/12 "2016-09-27T10:36:51Z")
With this team, there are so many matches that trigger his third trait, which stuns everything and prevents Stoneskin, Granite Skin, and the like from getting in the way. Combine this with his decently high attack (and Leadership trait), and he’s one of the best battering rams in the game at this point. This is Sister ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/7/720925f5764957c6b295ccec6dc6e7c802bbf785.jpg) This is Sister’s Gorgotha ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/f/fbcaf3924d74107751be123e8dfb8ccb31cc893b.jpg) This is Sister’s Gorgotha on turn one. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/a/a6cfca8a5ce83f7d7caba10a458138b1b5515377.jpg) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/7/754424eda493eab67ba4fa07756b2ffaa0936cb2.jpg) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/f/fae6e3ce27c0963db88038a5f92ea5dfa49848a2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 10:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/13 "2016-09-27T10:46:28Z")
Sounds good to me! Having the 3rd trait for Khorvash, Jarl and Mab all on the one team must be a pain to play against ---
**Author:** ![VegaDark541](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vegadark541/32/7875_2.png) [@VegaDark541](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/VegaDark541)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/14 "2016-09-27T17:15:47Z")
> [@wskill](#): > > “the console meta” > > Oh boy… :') > > Just no… > > Besides i can think of atleast 5 teams more effective than that, yeah 'think. Not look up, make myself. I’d like you to list them. I think it’s pretty generally accepted that the above team is the best console team, or at absolute least top 3. But by all means, let’s hear your 5 teams that you discovered are better. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/15 "2016-09-27T17:17:15Z")
Without doubt the best/quickest ---
**Author:** ![VegaDark541](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vegadark541/32/7875_2.png) [@VegaDark541](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/VegaDark541)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/16 "2016-09-27T17:30:32Z")
> [@Kurokazna](#): > > Once Maw gets nerfed into the ground, swap Maw for Khorvash, which will come shortly after. Same play style, almost as broken. I agree, but Khorvash won’t be out for several weeks if not months on console. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/17 "2016-09-27T17:56:51Z")
What are your plans once Mab, Khorvash etc come? ---
**Author:** ![VegaDark541](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vegadark541/32/7875_2.png) [@VegaDark541](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/VegaDark541)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/18 "2016-09-27T18:08:11Z")
> [@Robert](#): > > What are your plans once Mab, Khorvash etc come? I have all the stones to trait Mab. I’ll buy event keys until I get her, and fully trait her. I’m sure I will test her out a bit, but I’m unsure if she will become a main part of my team. As for Khorvash I don’t have enough Arcane Shields to trait, but that will be a top priority if an event troop comes out that needs them. I would expect he won’t be out for at least 1 month from when Mab is released, which is minimum 5 weeks at this point. Once I have him traited I will probably switch him out for Maw (Especially since Maw is getting nerfed, but I might mess around with teams that have both Maw and Khorvash to see if I can make something work). ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/19 "2016-09-27T18:12:40Z")
At some point, they’ll need to push the kingdoms out on console a little faster than they are on PC, so either two at once, or more likely, one every two weeks for a while. So there is a chance that Khorvash could be in your hands in less than 5 weeks, though i’ve kinda stopped hoping. ---
**Author:** ![Verdugo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/verdugo/32/9407_2.png) [@Verdugo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Verdugo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980/21 "2016-09-27T18:26:57Z")
Khorvash, Crescendo, Valk and Crimson Bat is what I’ll be using for a bit. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/slight-improvement-on-console-meta-team/12980.md?page=2)