# Skill Mana Reduced By at Least Half **URL:** \ **Category:** Support\ **Created:** [October 11, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/skill-mana-reduced-by-at-least-half/13632 "2016-10-11T14:25:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![xangiexdx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/xangiexdx/32/12071_2.png) [@xangiexdx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/xangiexdx)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/skill-mana-reduced-by-at-least-half/13632/1 "2016-10-11T14:25:52Z")
I’m over level 200 & my Red Mana level is over 120. I always pick the red when I level up (when it’s offered) - but now, since this update, my Red is down to 62. SIXTY TWO! All my other colours seem about right, what they were before the update. I’m severely disappointed right now with this update. WHY did my red go down so much? I played hours & hours & hours to level up, to get this, and now I’m robbed. This is not a good developer update. You’ve changed some troops’ attributes to a negative affect. Why did you change the current troops? I can’t change my defending squad in PvP, I keep selecting the one I want, but when I go back in, it shows a previous, and so now, thanks to you changing troop attributes, and not accepting a new defending squad, I lose every single PvP thrown my way. I am done spending money on this game and I am 2 inches close to deleting it from my console. The one and only reason I’m keeping it right now is because I have a Guild. ---
**Author:** ![Horse\_Cosby](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/horse_cosby/32/8303_2.png) [@Horse\_Cosby](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Horse_Cosby)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/skill-mana-reduced-by-at-least-half/13632/2 "2016-10-11T19:21:58Z")
The masteries were showing our totals when leveling. Now it only shows the points invested via leveling. If you look at your hero page it displays the total and breaks down where they are coming from (levels, guild etc.) The total should be the same as before, hopefully. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/skill-mana-reduced-by-at-least-half/13632/3 "2016-10-11T19:33:25Z")
Are the Console masteries now in line with the PC/mobile ones? Masteries used to be asymptotic at 100% (meaning they’d slow down as you got more points and you’d never be able to reach 100%). They were changed for PC/mobile to become asymptotic at 73% in 1.0.8: > [@Change to the Mastery math?](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/change-to-the-mastery-math/4123): > > I read through the guide on Mana Mastery and found that the formula posted there doesn’t give me the mastery my hero page shows. My mastery is 153 for blue for example. The guide states the formula is Surge Chance = Mastery / (100+Mastery). So . . . 153 / (100+153) = 153 / 253 = 0.605 Now rounding down I get 60% but my hero page shows 51%. Has the formula been changed in some previous update? If this just hit consoles then you might additionally be feeling this loss. (To be fair, it affects your opponent as well, so it’s probably a wash.) ---
**Author:** ![Madhermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Madhermit](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Madhermit)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 7:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/skill-mana-reduced-by-at-least-half/13632/5 "2016-10-12T07:04:11Z")
I’ve noticed when i level up the mana levels on the left side are correct except for red, it was showing 32 when it should have been 52. When looking in hero menu, it correctly showed 52. Not sure if it’s just a display error. @Sirrian do you know about this one? ---
**Author:** ![Alpheon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/alpheon/32/52212_2.png) [@Alpheon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Alpheon)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 10:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/skill-mana-reduced-by-at-least-half/13632/6 "2016-10-12T22:32:41Z")
> [@Horse\_Cosby](#): > > The masteries were showing our totals when leveling. Now it only shows the points invested via leveling. If you look at your hero page it displays the total and breaks down where they are coming from (levels, guild etc.) > > The total should be the same as before, hopefully. Just to chime in, this is the case. Masteries shown on the left when levelling now are the totals for _just_ your hero. It used to display your total value. Troop attributes were changed to be more in line with the current state of troops in the PC/Mobile version of the game. We’re always striving to be as close to them as possible, but for now we’re lagging slightly behind. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/skill-mana-reduced-by-at-least-half/13632/7 "2016-10-13T02:28:12Z")
You may have also been counting your hero class bonus in the old number. Before the update, any bonus from your class (maximum 20) was added into your ‘hero’ mastery on the hero screen when the hero, guild and kingdom masteries would cycle through. ---
**Author:** ![Madhermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Madhermit](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Madhermit)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/skill-mana-reduced-by-at-least-half/13632/8 "2016-10-13T05:01:12Z")
I think you’re right stan. I focused on red to lvl 50 when i found out that weapon unlocks were tied to that stat. I’ve been catching up all other colours for what seems like a very long time; I thought i hit red 50 before hero update, but i just flipped hero class, and it does show red down 20 pts. on hero Does this mean one could unlock weapons by flipping hero classes? (If class was leveled enough to push over unlock threshold) ---
**Author:** ![Syndarin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Syndarin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Syndarin)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 7:41am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/skill-mana-reduced-by-at-least-half/13632/9 "2016-10-13T07:41:44Z")
> [@xangiexdx](#): > > I’m over level 200 & my Red Mana level is over 120. I always pick the red when I level up (when it’s offered) - but now, since this update, my Red is down to 62. SIXTY TWO! All my other colours seem about right, what they were before the update. > > I’m severely disappointed right now with this update. WHY did my red go down so much? I played hours & hours & hours to level up, to get this, and now I’m robbed. This is not a good developer update. I am actually delighted with this long-needed change that removed the useless global masteries display and FIXED IT so that it shows only the hero’s personal base mana during Levelup. THANK YOU now I can unlock my Legendary Hero weapons without guessing which random color to choose using nothing but a hope and a prayer!! @xangiexdx Stan is right. The way you’re seeing your skill mana displaying on console currently is the way it was supposed to be, all along. Previously for some reason it was only showing correctly when we leveled up during Arena. It’s finally been brought in line with the PC/Mobile version. > [@Where is my mastery weapon?](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-is-my-mastery-weapon/10975/12): > > So, there it is. If you want the masteries Level Up screens to get corrected and NOT display only Global masteries, you’re all going to have to ask for it officially. That’s all I can say. > [@Where is my mastery weapon?](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/where-is-my-mastery-weapon/10975/14): > > @Nex & @Mr.Strange I would second the above statement. The way this currently displays for console players is quite difficult and awkward. I thought I had been upgrading my masteries in a relatively balanced way, but when I checked the underlying info on the hero page (which is itself very difficult to do given how quickly the components fly past), I was shocked to see that I had a spread of over 20 points between my highest and lowest mastery. I’m now trying to begin levelling these out, b… ---
**Author:** ![Syndarin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Syndarin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Syndarin)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 7:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/skill-mana-reduced-by-at-least-half/13632/10 "2016-10-13T07:48:27Z")
> [@Madhermit](#): > > Does this mean one could unlock weapons by flipping hero classes? (If class was leveled enough to push over unlock threshold) Hero weapon unlocks depend purely on leveling up your personal base mana stats for the necessary color(s). The Hero Class gem bonuses do not count. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Madhermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Madhermit](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Madhermit)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/skill-mana-reduced-by-at-least-half/13632/11 "2016-10-15T20:13:06Z")
Yup, lol back to red 😌