# Single Troop Defenses **URL:** \ **Category:** Official News\ **Created:** [May 29, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808 "2017-05-29T02:15:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/486 "2017-06-13T20:26:47Z")
Maybe, but I’ll keep trying. In this case, it is really a shame that so many factors have conspired to work against any kind of positive outcome. (PVP matchmaking broken, “quick fix” stays for weeks, “quick fix” introduces an unexpected problem, player progress takes away options, VIP status takes away options, etc, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![beanie42](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/beanie42/32/19802_2.png) [@beanie42](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/beanie42)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/487 "2017-06-13T20:27:30Z")
> [@Stan](#): > > I don’t disagree with you. The problem needs to be solved by the developers, but in the meantime, if players know that they are contributing to a spin-off problem, could they not temporarily alter their behaviour to minimize the collateral damage? If it doesn’t disadvantage them sure. But if it hurts that player (by removing their ability to control opponents), I don’t see why there would be an expectation for them to take the hit. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/488 "2017-06-13T20:28:48Z")
> [@beanie42](#): > > I have teammates with VIP scores high enough that trying to field 4 troops with a weak enough score to prevent meta opponents is difficult First off i agree that it is on the developers to fix this issue. But even when fielding a 8k+ defense you already get quite a lot of variety, so posting a team to achieve that goal is no hindrance for anyone no matter how high their VIP level is. Until this is fixed i think the expectation or more so the hope for most players to not be a a-holes to lowlevel players out of principle or protest is appropriate, it is not like replacing your one troop team with a 4xlv10 team is a big “hoop to jump through”. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/489 "2017-06-13T20:29:38Z")
> [@Jainus](#): > > I have no intention of screwing over other players. It’s not my fault that my other teams (9500 points) show up as their one trophy matches To be clear i wasn’t talking about you specifically and yours isnt one of the names i am seeing over and over but the results are the same. Maybe an extra 250k per week is insignificant to many end gamers but im not quite there yet and as such it isnt insignificant to me… Again @Jainus im not calling you out in particular but everyone in general ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/490 "2017-06-13T20:30:12Z")
> [@beanie42](#): > > But if it hurts that player (by removing their ability to control opponents), I don’t see why there would be an expectation for them to take the hit. Part of my outlook is no doubt based in ignorance, since I play on a version where nothing I do can influence the PVP matchups I get. If players are VIP 10 and putting even 4x level 1 bandit with no traits gets them the same result as a 4x mythic team, but putting a single troop gives them some relief in PVP, then no, I wouldn’t expect them to change their behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/491 "2017-06-13T20:30:58Z")
> [@Gouki](#): > > But even when fielding a 8k+ defense you already get quite a lot of variety I don’t think you can say definitively that this is true. I know 100% for certain it doesn’t work for me. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/492 "2017-06-13T20:33:09Z")
I understand the arguments for leaving the 1td but the fact remains it screws others over ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/493 "2017-06-13T20:35:25Z")
Obviously that is my personal experience, one that holds true for several weeks now where i posted event defenses that were short a couple of traits and a level or two of maximum team strength. I can’t definitively know how it is for others for obvious reasons. Still with 4 lv 10 troops you can go much lower than 8k. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/494 "2017-06-13T20:36:55Z")
Seriously? Account sharers being online 24x7 “screws others over”. Having a GW system that entrenches a handful of guilds into slots that give orders of magnitude more rewards than 99.9% of players in the game “screws others over”. Sorry but that argument simply holds no water at all. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/495 "2017-06-13T20:39:28Z")
> [@htismaqe](#): > > Account sharers being online 24x7 “screws others over”. Having a GW system that entrenches a handful of guilds into slots that give orders of magnitude more rewards than 99.9% of players in the game "screws others over Im not advocating these things either and your argument sounds a lot like “tommy smacked billy so why cant i smack bobby?” ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/496 "2017-06-13T20:40:26Z")
What does that have to do with eachother?? People shoot others in the streets for a couple of bucks, doesn’t mean i should be a dick to homeless people… or does it? ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/497 "2017-06-13T20:41:07Z")
Who is the 1-troop defense REALLY hurting? The excuse was made that it was hurting the “economy”. I could show you at least 3 (maybe 4) things currently ongoing that put WAY more currency into the economy. This is a red herring. Sleight of hand. The devs got you looking at their right hand while they’re punching you with the left. ---
**Author:** ![AeroCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@AeroCloud](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AeroCloud)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/498 "2017-06-13T20:42:56Z")
Sounds to me like the players need everyone to set a 1 troop defense. Maybe once the problem grows large enough for the lower end players/game the Dev’s might address this issue. It did take over a year for the dev’s to address the single troop defense, and only once the meta became terrible that the 1 troop defense became common place. I do not want to advocate for this type of position, I’m just seeing more of a “reactive” instead of a “proactive” style of management/programming to rectify issues. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/499 "2017-06-13T20:43:35Z")
> [@htismaqe](#): > > Who is the 1-troop defense REALLY hurting Pre “quick-fix” i agree with you and if you scroll up a bit you will see that and it almost made me quit GoW altogether but that still doesnt address MY issue ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/500 "2017-06-13T20:43:54Z")
Reactive, yes. And VERY selective as well. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/501 "2017-06-13T20:46:13Z")
I understand this. Sorry if it felt I took you off task. The bottom line is this: 1. They released a “fix” for something that arguably didn’t need fixing. 2. The fix introduced new, somewhat SERIOUS issues (like the one you’re experiencing) 3. On top of everything, the exploit that was supposed to be “fixed” STILL EXISTS. I’m not sure how any of this is defensible at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/502 "2017-06-13T20:50:22Z")
I think everything against and for a fix of single troop defenses was said hundreds of posts ago in this thread. The way the fix was implemented was questionable indeed, but the discussion has moved past that. What we were actually discussing now was how we deal with the faulty implementation of this fix and if screwing over low level players out of spite over the fix or to protest it is the best course of action. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/503 "2017-06-13T20:50:32Z")
> [@htismaqe](#): > > They released a “fix” for something that arguably didn’t need fixing. > The fix introduced new, somewhat SERIOUS issues (like the one you’re experiencing) > On top of everything, the exploit that was supposed to be “fixed” STILL EXISTS. > > I’m not sure how any of this is defensible at this point With this i agree ---
**Author:** ![Whiskeyjack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/whiskeyjack/32/65850_2.png) [@Whiskeyjack](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Whiskeyjack)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/504 "2017-06-13T20:50:38Z")
Setting a 1 troop defence definitely hurts others. It reduces my choice so I get the monotony that others are avoiding. I’ve set a sub 9k giant team this week, it’s really not hard even at VIP 5; just don’t trait the new troop of the week. And for the most part, I avoid meta defences. But when I switched to my GW team to test it, I often found I’d get meta 3 trophy options and then at least 1 opponent with a low score for a high team. This affects me personally far more than account sharers and GW. I couldn’t give a \*\*\*\* about who wins the PvP rankings, and I like that GW is competitive. So if I find that my PvP experience is severely diminished as an end-game-over-1000-VIP-5 player, god help the noobs whose defence team scores naturally peak at 5k and are being matched with these teams. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808/505 "2017-06-13T20:53:05Z")
And lets not forget the 250k gold per week im losing due to team scores being incorrect [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808.md?page=24) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/single-troop-defenses/24808.md?page=26)