# Secret nerf by the devs on Sentinels bonuses for higher ranks or just a bug?
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508
**Category:** Support
**Created:** [October 31, 2017, 10:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508 "2017-10-31T10:34:41Z")
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### Author:  [@anon43026234](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/anon43026234)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2017, 10:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/1 "2017-10-31T10:34:41Z")
Im on Xbox but I guess this must concern all platforms:
Before 3.2 update, a Paragon had +11 attack, +19 life, +19 shield and +11 magic bonuses when all 30 members had all their sentinels to lvl 5.
I am Paragon this week and here are my bonuses: +8 attack, +14 life, +14 shield, +8 magic.
All 30 members have sentinels to lvl 5.
Thats 3 attack and magic lost and 5 shield and life lost!
I dont recall seeing any words from the devs about that on patch notes or anywhere else. Maybe I have missed the info?
I would like a confirmation from a dev if this is intended or a bug, please.
@Ozball
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### Author:  [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/2 "2017-10-31T15:53:14Z")
Tip for future reference: If you ever find yourself thinking “is X either a secret stealth nerf, or just a bug?”, then the answer is almost always one of two things. Either 1) it’s just a bug, or 2) you were wrong about something in the first place.
Given that, I suggest you first double-check and verify your numbers, and if they still look wrong, file a bug report in the Support section. Veiled insults or implications help no one.
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### Author:  [@anon43026234](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/anon43026234)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/3 "2017-10-31T16:45:34Z")
You forgot option 3: it might really be a nerf from the devs.
My numbers are absolutely correct +11,+19,+19 and +11 was old Paragons bonuses and +8,+14,+14 and +8 are actual bonuses. All sentinels from all members to the max.
btw I have no idea where you saw veiled insults in my previous post?? If not only you have nothing useful to write in my thread, but you also invent things, I guess its better to just shut up!
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### Author:  [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/4 "2017-10-31T16:48:57Z")
I forgot nothing; I told you what the answer **almost always** is. If you double checked your numbers, then go post a bug report in the appropriate forum.
Starting your post off with vague “secret nerf” questions comes across as accusatory and insulting. If you feel that my telling you the correct course of action to report a bug is “nothing useful”, then I don’t know what else to tell you.
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### Author:  [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/5 "2017-10-31T16:52:43Z")
> [@anon43026234](#):
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> If not only you have nothing useful to write in my thread, but you also invent things, I guess its better to just shut up!
I agree with @Amadan here… This is unnecessarily hostile and belligerent
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### Author:  [@anon43026234](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/anon43026234)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/6 "2017-10-31T16:53:50Z")
You told me nothing useful in your 2 answers! All I need is an answer from a dev as stated in my 1st post.
I wrote all ranks bonuses before 3.2 update and now only rank 5 is the same (5, 10, 10, 5)
Another example is rank 2: +9, +17, +17, +10 before update and now its +7, +13, +13, +7.
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### Author:  [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/8 "2017-10-31T16:58:34Z")
Fake news!
Your tone in your post and title was accusative and thus insulting.
That said i see no benefit to further this discussion so i am muting this thread.
Have a wonderful morning
Vangor
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### Author:  [@anon43026234](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/anon43026234)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/9 "2017-10-31T17:06:57Z")
Well as my numbers are 100% correct (no need to be a genius to write paragons bonuses when all 30 members had their sentinels to 5 and to do it again after 3.2 update) There are 3 options:
1. Its a bug
2. Its a nerf that is not secret and I simply didnt find it on the patch notes. (would be my fault)
3. Its a nerf that has not been communicated from the devs.
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### Author:  [@aarons47](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/aarons47)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/10 "2017-10-31T18:44:56Z")
And out come the trolls…
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### Author:  [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/11 "2017-10-31T19:05:08Z")
> [@aarons47](#):
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> And out come the trolls
Lol where? I didnt see any…
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### Author:  [@anon43026234](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/anon43026234)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/12 "2017-10-31T19:23:13Z")
Here the 5 ranks with 30 members having all their senitinels at lvl 5:
Before update 3.2: (I wrote these stats at least 2 months ago)
rank 1: +11 +19 +19 +11
rank 2: +9 +17 +17 +10
rank 3: +8 +14 +14 +9
rank 4: +6 +12 +12 +7
rank 5: +5 +10 +10 +5
After update 3.2: (I only noticed this week these lowered stats but I cant be sure it is since 3.2)
rank 1: +8 +14 +14 +8
rank 2: +7 +13 +13 +7
rank 3: +7 +12 +12 +7
rank 4: +6 +12 +11 +6
rank 5: +5 +10 +10 +5
Only rank 5 is identical (obviously as there is no rank 6 that could give them bonuses).
I read the 3.2 patch note and saw nothing about that. An explanation from a dev is much needed, thank you in advance.
@ozball @Alpheon
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### Author:  [@Sidousai](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sidousai)
#### Post date: [November 1, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/13 "2017-11-01T00:45:22Z")
I’m on PC steam.
And, unless my childhood arithmetic class failed me completely, I’m pretty sure the numbers in these Sentinel equations don’t add up.
@Ozball, is this another known bug issue?
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### Author:  [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)
#### Post date: [November 1, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/14 "2017-11-01T00:46:19Z")
I’m currently looking into this. But I can say we haven’t touched the sentinel bonuses in 3.2.
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### Author:  [@XLS78](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/XLS78)
#### Post date: [November 1, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/15 "2017-11-01T01:05:21Z")
They do if you only add the yellow numbers, and allow for hidden rounding.
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### Author:  [@Sidousai](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sidousai)
#### Post date: [November 1, 2017, 1:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/16 "2017-11-01T01:10:38Z")
This chart is confusing as hell then.
And there are no explanation at all telling us to ignore the white numbers…
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### Author:  [@XLS78](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/XLS78)
#### Post date: [November 1, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/17 "2017-11-01T01:26:46Z")
Isn’t that the fun of games like this, though? Having to figure out the puzzles? 😉
Kidding - you are right, it should be a lot clearer.
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### Author:  [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)
#### Post date: [November 1, 2017, 8:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/18 "2017-11-01T08:55:50Z")
They cost more to upgrade than before. That I do know.
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [November 1, 2017, 9:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/19 "2017-11-01T09:45:55Z")
I didn’t notice any cost change? Xb1.
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### Author:  [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)
#### Post date: [November 1, 2017, 9:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/20 "2017-11-01T09:54:19Z")
Level 2 costs 30,000 gold, not 25,000. 600 glory, not 500.
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### Author:  [@anon43026234](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/anon43026234)
#### Post date: [November 1, 2017, 11:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/secret-nerf-by-the-devs-on-sentinels-bonuses-for-higher-ranks-or-just-a-bug/32508/21 "2017-11-01T11:00:44Z")
> [@Ozball](#):
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> I’m currently looking into this. But I can say we haven’t touched the sentinel bonuses in 3.2.
Was your answer to Sidousai or to me?
The bonuses for all 5 ranks I wrote are correct.
My guild ALWAYS have 30 members upgrading ALL sentinels to 5.
Some weeks ago, when I was Paragon, my stats were +11, +19, +19, +11 and now I only have +8, +14, +14, +8.
You can check all 5 ranks differences on post 12.
@Ozball
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