# Rescale Seals for Perfect Arena Run **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [September 19, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646 "2016-09-19T22:37:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/1 "2016-09-19T22:37:26Z")
The seal scaling for Arena is far off from more viable options like PvP and treasure maps. Arena gives 30 seals ONLY if the player gets 0 loses. That means all 8 battles must be a win. 8 PvP wins, even if they are not consecutive, gives 32 seals. I feel like a perfect Arena run should be scaled up to at least 40 seals, maybe even 50 seals due to the 0 lose requirement. Another option could be to add a 20 seal task for completing arena with 6+ wins while also keeping the +30 for a perfect 8 win run. That way a lose will still give seals and a perfect run would be scaled better with a 50 seal total. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/2 "2016-09-19T22:41:48Z")
I agree with the 50 seals due to the 0 lose requirement. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/3 "2016-09-19T22:47:59Z")
Is 0 losses hard? I donā€™t play Arena that much, but I feel like after I got through the very early game I stopped losing them. I assume the ā€œ5 per win regardlessā€ was the compromise, since you get 80 total for each run: (8\*5=40) + 40 = 80. Thatā€™s technically 8 more than youā€™d get for 8 PvP battles. Assuming you lose battle one in 5 runs, youā€™d still come out even vs PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/4 "2016-09-19T23:02:25Z")
> [@Studs](#): > > Thatā€™s technically 8 more than youā€™d get for 8 PvP battles. Thatā€™s exactly 2 less than PvP. And that isnā€™t even factoring in the ladder and that PvP allows loses. 8 wins (40) + a perfect arena run (30) = 70 8 wins (40) + 8 PvP wins (32) = 72 ---
**Author:** ![Scala](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/scala/32/12470_2.png) [@Scala](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Scala)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/5 "2016-09-19T23:12:21Z")
99% sure you can lose 1 game, and still get the seals. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/6 "2016-09-19T23:17:21Z")
> [@Scala](#): > > 99% sure you can lose 1 game, and still get the seals. Is it? I havenā€™t played Arena since the new patch. Regardless, Arena gives 2 less. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![LYNDALE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyndale/32/13864_2.png) [@LYNDALE](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LYNDALE)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/7 "2016-09-19T23:24:24Z")
Still has to be a perfect run. Iā€™m facing stronger opponents now but still get the same crappy cards. šŸ˜Ÿ ---
**Author:** ![Astral](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a698b9/32.png) [@Astral](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Astral)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/8 "2016-09-19T23:33:19Z")
I confirm you can have one loss. ---
**Author:** ![LegendMaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/legendmaker/32/859_2.png) [@LegendMaker](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LegendMaker)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/10 "2016-09-19T23:45:20Z")
> [@Scala](#): > > 99% sure you can lose 1 game, and still get the seals. I 100% confirm thatā€™s not the case, sorry. From experience. I do play Arena exclusively, and Iā€™ve played dozens of runs since the patch. EDIT: Iā€™m also super tired and 100% incorrect, apparently (or was it 99%? ^^). It seems that 8-1 still counts the same as 8-0. So itā€™s just if you take 2 losses that you get no Seal. My bad. Also, Iā€™d like to add that this ā€œPerfect Arena Runā€ requirement comes up right when the Arena is more RNG-based than ever before. There are _so many_ troops and weapons these days that can completely win or lose you the game in one or two (un)lucky rollsā€¦ Itā€™s impossible to get 8-0, or even just 8 wins consistently nowadays. It used to be the case a few patches ago, but now itā€™s come to the point that I actually get crushed by the AI in one run out of 5 or 6 maybe (by this I mean I end up at 2-2 or 3-2, never mind 8-1). Even @Archenassa gets losses regularly. You can be a great Arena player, make a very solid draft, play your best every single turn, and still get **obliterated** by things like, sayā€¦ an unfortunate timing (for you) on ONE SHOT from the opponentā€™s: Spirit Fox, Dragon Fire, Creeping Death, Succubus, Dragonette, Astral Spirit, Lion Prince, Spark Rocket, the ever-boring Imperial Jewelā€¦ to name but _a few_ of the frequent offenders. Thatā€™s on top of the usual permanent threat of dying to a truckload of 4 or 5 matches coming from the sky with a shower of skulls out of nowhere. And, you know, just plain bad luck. My Hag might buff my Ogreā€™s Magic (aka null) while applying useless crap like Stun or Disease to her target, while the opponentā€™s Hag might buff his top troopā€™s Attack and Burn or DeathMark my MVP (and the AIā€™s DeathMark tends to proc immediately, contrary to a human playerā€™s DeathMark ^^). Anything goes, really. Thereā€™s absolutely no guarantee that any given Arena game wonā€™t go sour at any point, these days.(\*) So yeah, it might be a tidbit unfair to us Arena players that we get no Seal at all if we take even 1 loss throughout a run. EDIT: if we donā€™t reach 8 wins. Going 8-1 nowadays is harder than going 8-0 used to be. (\*) Yeah, Iā€™ve been having a bit of a bad run latelyā€¦ What gave it away?! =) ---
**Author:** ![Mahamoti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mahamoti/32/19354_2.png) [@Mahamoti](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mahamoti)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/11 "2016-09-20T00:01:14Z")
It should definitely pay out the seals for 8-1, because that allows me to do what I always do, and start an arena run before I forget to lower the difficulty from Warlord III-IV. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/12 "2016-09-20T00:44:57Z")
[quote=ā€œLegendMaker, post:10, topic:12646, full:trueā€] My Hag[/quote] Thereā€™s your problem. You NEVER take Hag or any other Troop that isnā€™t a tank, damage dealer or a healer like Priestess for Arena. [Hag in Arenaā€¦](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNrcR68FGns) ---
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 2:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/13 "2016-09-20T02:18:16Z")
How do you figure? 8 PvP wins is 8\*4=32 8 Arena wins is 40 On top of that, you get 5\*8=40 for either. Thus Arena gives 8 more Seals for the same number of battles. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/14 "2016-09-20T02:56:51Z")
> [@Studs](#): > > 8 Arena wins is 40 A perfect arena run is 30 seals, not 40. Both give 40 from 8 battles, but PvPā€™s is 2 higher as 32 (8\*4) is 2 more than 30. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/15 "2016-09-20T03:03:23Z")
You get guaranteed Souls and Glory Keys from Arena, thereā€™s your reconciliation. /thread ---
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 3:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/16 "2016-09-20T03:39:00Z")
Ohhh, youā€™re totally right. I guess 40 for perfect arena was wishful thinking. They should think about buffing arena payouts šŸ˜ ---
**Author:** ![Clark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/clark/32/29631_2.png) [@Clark](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/17 "2016-09-20T18:02:17Z")
I have to agree, to tempt me into doing an arena again the reward needs to either be changed to simply winning the arena (8 wins, 0, 1 or 2 losses) or at least scale with the number of losses. For instance: 8 wins with: 0 loss = 50 seals 1 loss = 40 seals Arena loss offers no extra seals. This would entice me to try it. Edited to correct number of losses allowed. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/18 "2016-09-20T18:14:49Z")
> [@Clark](#): > > For instance: > āž” 8 wins ā¬… with: > 0 loss = 50 seals > 1 loss = 40 seals > āž” 2 loss ā¬… = 30 seals [https://i.giphy.com/kHU8W94VS329y.gif(image larger than 4 MB)](https://i.giphy.com/kHU8W94VS329y.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Clark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/clark/32/29631_2.png) [@Clark](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/19 "2016-09-20T18:52:39Z")
I donā€™t understand what you are trying to say here TP. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/20 "2016-09-20T18:54:44Z")
> [@Clark](#): > > I donā€™t understand what you are trying to say here TP. It is impossible to have both 8 wins and 2 loses. That is why I initially proposed 20 seals for 6+ Arena run and an additional 30 for perfect 8. ---
**Author:** ![Clark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/clark/32/29631_2.png) [@Clark](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646/21 "2016-09-20T19:04:08Z")
Its been a while for me, I thought it took 3 losses to get eliminatedā€¦ oh well, I will edit my initial, thank you for correcting meā€¦šŸ™‚ [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/rescale-seals-for-perfect-arena-run/12646.md?page=2)