# Request: Mana steal counter and/or immunity **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [July 31, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111 "2017-07-31T10:08:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mad\_Butch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mad_butch/32/22903_2.png) [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/1 "2017-07-31T10:08:09Z")
Could we please get a counter for mana steal? The current psion/ragnagord/famine meta is so overpowered, it’s not even funny. And once ragna starts casting (which is fast) you have no chance in hell of ever getting back in the fight, as you will be constantly drained of all mana. Something that overpowered (totally sucking all mana of all cards), NEEDS a counter. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/2 "2017-07-31T10:48:17Z")
Yo mick you know you’re my brotha from anotha but i have to disagree. Far as i know mana shield is getting the ability to block mana drain next update. Second, i have yet to encounter a team i couldn’t beat with a 95% win rate. ---
**Author:** ![Mad\_Butch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mad_butch/32/22903_2.png) [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/3 "2017-07-31T10:50:01Z")
Still, gameplay wise it doesn’t make sense… Even the horrible mab with her freeze has a counter with cards that are immune to frozen. So why not add a trait, for cards with immunity to mana drain? ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 10:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/4 "2017-07-31T10:55:39Z")
as far as mana shield, or any other trait, does it - im fine but i do believe at least that one trait is needed to counter/defend from mana drain ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/5 "2017-07-31T11:12:04Z")
More whinging here. This team is certainly not overpowered during the last event I went 100 and 7 using mainly a Silent One/double Sylvanimora/Infernus team. Even with Psion’s alert, I had no trouble. As was noted in another thread, something is certainly off with either: - Your team building strategy - Your choices made during the game In response to your core point, having some troops that have mana drain resistance would be useful and has been stated it may be on the cards. However, in your case, unless you address the other issues I think you have, it would provide minimal relief… 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Mad\_Butch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mad_butch/32/22903_2.png) [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/6 "2017-07-31T11:27:27Z")
Don’t see much whining, and I did read it again. Maybe thinks get blurry, from up there on your high horse. The post is about a counter to it, let’s stick to that. ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/7 "2017-07-31T11:55:01Z")
Re-read my last paragraph. Also, if it is really about ‘counters’ get rid of all the fluff and filler in the OP… ---
**Author:** ![Strawnyy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/strawnyy/32/30688_2.png) [@Strawnyy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strawnyy)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/8 "2017-07-31T11:57:16Z")
I agree though. Should be a way to counter everything. Makes the game “more fair” ---
**Author:** ![Mad\_Butch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mad_butch/32/22903_2.png) [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/9 "2017-07-31T11:57:24Z")
You honestly have to stop bothering people on the forum. If it’s not your official role to tell people how to post, then either get that title from the gems of war team, or just stfu, unless you have something to contribute. And in those cases, stick to what you have to contribute, and leave your fluf at home. You know… do as you preach… ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/10 "2017-07-31T12:03:12Z")
Neither is it yours. I wrote what my initial thoughts were and I replied to your entire post, whilst posting nothing that wasn’t unrelated to anything mentioned your OP. The points I made are relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Mad\_Butch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mad_butch/32/22903_2.png) [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 12:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/11 "2017-07-31T12:07:58Z")
> [@Drathas](#): > > More whinging here. Yet you start with that. And you derailed this whole post, as is exactly like you want, or you would not post so confrontational. But just keep thinking of yourself as this holy unity, who makes the world a better place. At least you’ll be a good guy in your head. ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 12:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/12 "2017-07-31T12:19:19Z")
Yeah, what else would you call your post? whinge verb 1. complain persistently and in a peevish or irritating way. “stop whingeing and get on with it!” This isn’t the first time you have created a thread such as this. Anyways, I addressed what I thought of your call for mana drain immunity. Sure, add them into the pool but they won’t be a game changer. Especially, seeing how little the new traits get farmed out across the troop roster. ---
**Author:** ![Esoxnepa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esoxnepa/32/1837_2.png) [@Esoxnepa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Esoxnepa)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 12:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/13 "2017-07-31T12:21:02Z")
There was a post about a month ago that troops that can’t be mana drained are in the pipeline. I remember it was a Sirrian post, but not from what thread. I’ll see if I can seach for it, because I wanted Alter to also provide mana drain protection, along with the silence protection. ---
**Author:** ![Esoxnepa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esoxnepa/32/1837_2.png) [@Esoxnepa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Esoxnepa)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 12:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/14 "2017-07-31T12:22:24Z")
It’s somewhere in this thread. I hope that is part of what you are hoping for. > [@Welcome to Nimhain's Lair: May 21st](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478): > > Hey Guys, Welcome to my lair, and what I hope will be a semi-regular series. Here I’m going to post discussing anything from design thoughts to discussions about bugs and beyond. This is mostly so you guys can get a small glimpse into what we have been doing or discussing. While I would like to say, this will be a weekly thing, unfortunately I can’t make any promises when I will be able to fit this in my schedule. Each lair post will have its own overall theme so I do ask that the discussion … ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 12:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/15 "2017-07-31T12:23:50Z")
It was in a Nimhain’s Lair post from May, when discussing the first round of Famine nerfs. > [@Welcome to Nimhain's Lair: May 21st](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/welcome-to-nimhains-lair-may-21st/24478/1): > > Finally, as I said earlier we’ve been looking at better means of offering counter play to Famine + Mana drain in general. With that we’re looking to change the Mana Shield trait to also gain immunity to Mana drain. Now this seems like an obvious solution so why didn’t we do this earlier? The main reason is it isn’t possible, due to some technical issues with the way our Adobe Air client is coded… I mean, it IS possible (it’s always possible to change code), but it’s a high risk change that would certainly introduce some bugs. With the PC/ Mobile version switching over to Unity, we are now able to investigate adding this extra immunity (this is not 100% guaranteed to happen though). > Does that mean Impervious will gain immunity to Mana Drain? The answer currently is no as we feel that impervious is good enough, but we will revisit this once we know if this is possible. EDIT: Beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![zachraziel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zachraziel/32/3836_2.png) [@zachraziel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/zachraziel)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 12:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/16 "2017-07-31T12:54:07Z")
> [@Mad\_Butch](#): > > The current psion/ragnagord/famine meta is so overpowered, it’s not even funny Imho, what’s not funny are the posts on _OP_ teams. So you lost a game, get over it, you’re not meant to be unbeatable. ---
**Author:** ![Spider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Spider](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Spider)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/request-mana-steal-counter-and-or-immunity/28111/17 "2017-08-01T00:16:38Z")
IMO Mana drain is best countered by itself and silence a well timed Manticore or spirit fox can be a difference maker even Cockatrice works well on Famine