# \[Reported\] Pvp league promotion
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724
**Category:** Bug Reports
**Created:** [January 1, 2024, 7:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724 "2024-01-01T07:53:16Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 2
### Author:  [@Kelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kelana)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2024, 10:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/21 "2024-01-01T22:38:12Z")
> [@TheTruth](#):
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> If you remember when they started the new PvP , they said we’d be in more than one league, but we can only see one.
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> So we will never no our position in the unseen league, unless by luck your with someone you know.
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> And that’s pure luck.
You may be correct that that’s what happened. But it’s definitely the opposite of what they told us would happen. I am still cranky.
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### Author:  [@TheTruth](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheTruth)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2024, 10:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/22 "2024-01-01T22:41:00Z")
My league, and my friend’s league that I can’t see.
Just to prove I’m telling the truth. 😁
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### Author:  [@Kelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kelana)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2024, 10:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/23 "2024-01-01T22:42:28Z")
Maybe I’m too naive for my own good, but it never even occurred to me that you would lie. \<3
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### Author:  [@TheTruth](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheTruth)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2024, 10:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/24 "2024-01-01T22:43:14Z")
Sorry maybe you wouldn’t.
But this forum has a few disbelievers 😁
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### Author:  [@TheTruth](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheTruth)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2024, 10:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/25 "2024-01-01T22:50:16Z")
What it does show is that , no matter what you can see, what position in your league you are, if your in a promotion spot in the other league you can’t see.
There’s a possibility you may get promoted.
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### Author:  [@Kelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kelana)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/26 "2024-01-01T23:52:28Z")
I agree that may be what’s happening here. But the other thing that occurred to me is that they just have the thresholds all messed up because they’re different from league to league.
Either way, though, I’m very cranky because it’s definitely not what they said would happen. They said your league was the one you can see that that you might or might not also appear in other people’s.
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### Author:  [@Lerena](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lerena)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2024, 11:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/27 "2024-01-01T23:54:20Z")
@TheTruth
> [@](#):
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> What it does show is that , no matter what you can see, what position in your league you are, if your in a promotion spot in the other league you can’t see. There’s a possibility you may get promoted.
This appears to be what happened to me. I assume I finished in 3rd place in the unseen league given the gold marks I received.
I actually have no issues with the promotion, because I just came here to clear up my confusion. Based on my initial understanding, I thought I was going to stay in Amethyst League.
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### Author:  [@canadademon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/canadademon)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2024, 1:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/28 "2024-01-02T01:36:56Z")
Or if you _just_ make the last promotion slot, you may not get promoted because in the other league you’re not there.
Or if you’re _just_ outside of relagation, you may still get relagated because in the other league, you’re further down.
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### Author:  [@Kafka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kafka)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/29 "2024-01-02T01:40:46Z")
The devs are looking into this at the moment.
I know it’s frustrating (we are frustrated by it too), but please remember to keep it civil.
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### Author:  [@canadademon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/canadademon)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/30 "2024-01-02T01:42:44Z")
Thanks Kafka. Apologies. I didn’t say anything I thought was over the line but your call.
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### Author:  [@panda-zebra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/panda-zebra)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/31 "2024-01-02T11:52:07Z")
> [@Rittings](#):
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> That’s on PS5, and might aswell quit playing at this point… seems like its been about a month without a fix.
There was a fix, a few days in. but it made it worse for a lot of us. It went from 10 seconds lag to 90 seconds lag/timing out/whatever the heck it is, where it remains.
> [@TheTruth](#):
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> Ok this might answer why.
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> Iv got my league I can see. I’m 2nd ATM.
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> Now my friend is in a different guild, I’m actually in his league to, but I can’t see it, I’m 4th in his league.
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> If you remember when they started the new PvP , they said we’d be in more than one league, but we can only see one.
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> So we will never no our position in the unseen league, unless by luck your with someone you know.
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> And that’s pure luck.
OK I think this is exactly what’s happened and explains why so many people got promoted and better rewards for finishing higher than their bucket table suggested they would.
I’m really not at all a fan of this bucket system of leagues. I have nothing better to suggest as I’ve not considered it enough, but I can see why it can very easily become very unfair for some players at random. There’s no issue getting your weekly rewards, but if finishing top 3 for gold rewards is something you want to chase, good luck if you get scooped up with a bunch of pee-bottle-poop-sockers who will have your weekly effort beat in a day. It might work more fairly in other games where PvP restricts your daily efforts, but here where you can do as much as you like without penalty it’s going to put massive pressure on some to aim for the one thing they can target to progress - books.
At this point it feels like a 1-man guild wars would be better, and that would be awful - being locked in a room of 30 all week, only ever seeing them but knowing exactly where you stood for the rest of the week ahead.
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### Author:  [@Jerry\_the\_skunk](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jerry_the_skunk)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2024, 4:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/32 "2024-01-02T16:20:45Z")
> [@Kafka](#):
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> The devs are looking into this at the moment.
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> I know it’s frustrating
Not half as frustrating as being physically unable to reach any better positions, because every fight needs a minute of loading.
1. Fix the lag
2. Create fair scoring mechanics
3. Start working on the rest
PRI-O-RI-TIES!
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### Author:  [@Kafka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kafka)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2024, 11:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/33 "2024-01-02T23:53:12Z")
The lag and the PVP league rankings/promotion and demotion are already actively assigned to programmers right now as their top priorities.
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### Author:  [@Rittings](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rittings)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2024, 8:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/34 "2024-01-06T08:47:57Z")
I’m actually now finding the lag has infected Explore too. The game now has nowhere to hide from the load lag…
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### Author:  [@Jerry\_the\_skunk](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jerry_the_skunk)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2024, 8:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/35 "2024-01-08T08:06:37Z")
Bug still present with this weeks reset. I finished 7th in topaz (5 promotion spots) and was ranked 2nd and promoted to ruby.
I’m not going to complain too much about it this time, but it is quite confusing.
Could it be, because the respective higher league has no players in it, so its unpossessed demotion spots count on top of the promotion of the league below?
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### Author:  [@Dwuemka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dwuemka)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2024, 8:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/36 "2024-01-08T08:14:43Z")
I finished 9th or 10th in Amethyst, got promoted to Topaz anyway. The same thing happened this week to at least one fellow guild member, and last week to at least two guild members (I’m not sure which leagues, in any case).
> [@Jerry\_the\_skunk](#):
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> Could it be, because the respective higher league has no players in it, so its unpossessed demotion spots count on top of the promotion of the league below?
The devs did say in the patch notes that in the early days/weeks the players will be seeded into the leagues - so likely there are more “bubbles” designed than players that can go up for now, and the game likely pulls lower spots up too.
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### Author:  [@jdk](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/jdk)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/37 "2024-01-08T19:01:53Z")
My 2 cents, I was even lower in Amethyst, at least 15th or below, and was also promoted to topaz this week. So if it is related to demotion slots, how many are there? It seems like they’re just pulling everyone up who played even a little bit
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### Author:  [@panda-zebra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/panda-zebra)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/38 "2024-01-08T19:52:30Z")
> [@jdk](#):
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> It seems like they’re just pulling everyone up who played even a little bit
Like JTS said, it seems like they’re promoting everyone who was in the promotion zone of _any_ bucket, not just their own. You have your own individual group of 30, but everyone in that 30, including yourself, has a chance of being in many more such buckets of other players. So JTS’s theory: You were 15th in the group of 30 you saw, but in someone’s group of 30 you were promotion material and the backend check didn’t look at each bucket for the promotion of only the bucket owner, but every player involved. So if you were in 300 buckets, you had 300 chances of being in the promotion zone of any one of them and promoted if so, not just your own bucket, and you would be rewarded accordingly. this is just a theory, but the best one so far that explains all the oddness around unexpected rewards and promotions. It could also be preventing masses of demotions of people that actually play and don’t sit on zero, so if it is working this way the top end leagues are going to be more populous than expected.
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### Author:  [@CLARE](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CLARE)
#### Post date: [January 15, 2024, 7:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/39 "2024-01-15T07:53:10Z")
this bug has been fixed 😆
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### Author:  [@Boris](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Boris)
#### Post date: [January 15, 2024, 10:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-pvp-league-promotion/82724/40 "2024-01-15T10:22:05Z")
No, it hasn’t – I was in the relegation zone for my bracket, at over 7500 points (so I did play) and I did not change leagues.
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