# \[Reported\] ELO Guild Wars Leaderboard **URL:** \ **Category:** Bug Reports\ **Created:** [July 14, 2025, 8:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156 "2025-07-14T08:49:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![xolid99](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/xolid99/32/66856_2.png) [@xolid99](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/xolid99)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 8:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/1 "2025-07-14T08:49:37Z")
So last GW we were ranked 6. Up from 10. We played rank 3, 4, 5 and 7. That’s perfect matchmaking. We beat rank 3, 4 and 7 pretty well. We narrowly lost to rank 5. 1 of those guilds we beat have jumped above us significantly and gained 34 ELO points to our 9, but we beat them? We’ve dropped 7 places to 13.Yet beat 3,4 and 7. One of our alliance guilds played random none comparable guilds and have jumped to 5 from 16. They won daily pretty soundly. I can check but I think two days they didn’t even or barely got fought against. Obviously they have significantly benefitted from easy match making but what about beating high ranked peers? Seemingly ELO is giving no added weight to who you beat, but how much you beat a random guild by. It’s not giving weight to the rank of your opponent. It’s probably giving the same weight to a rank 99 guild and a rank 3 guild. How is anyone going to catch the leader therefore, who faces bots. Yeah it’s being fixed soon but the matchmaking is actually disadvantageous if you beat a strong peer and they jump you and significantly. The only way you gain reasonable points is by thrashing a none optimised opponent or lots of them, or so it seems. I’m guessing because rank 7, they beat a guild by 40k points on another day, where probably only a few players set defences, they benefited. So that’s one thing, it’s disproportionately adverse to face anyone around you. The other thing - let’s hold the phone a minute for the other issue at play. Upon analysing stored game data, it seems the game is telling us we lost to ourselves because of bugged procedural information being collected. .All of our win/loss initial screens were wrong, later appeared correct. However the game has bugged us as losing to ourselves? We are down in the code as losing to ourselves… So this would suggest that incorrect data from the guild wars is therefore seemingly or potentially affecting the entire matchmaking system. So the bugs reported by others about fighting themselves are not only definitely effecting rewards, but there is potentially endemic system bugs in the entire process of guild wars, as data may be falsely recorded due to those bugs being far more egregious. Needs a good look @Jeto On another note why did we remove brackets. ---
**Author:** ![Jeto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jeto/32/101682_2.png) [@Jeto](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jeto)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 10:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/2 "2025-07-14T22:41:58Z")
> [@xolid99](#): > > All of our win/loss initial screens were wrong, later appeared correct. There was a visual only issue with the End of GW **Day** results, which is why they were initially incorrect, showing totally different Guilds and results. Had been reported at the time of GW. As for moving through the leaderboard, depends of the result of obviously your Guild against your 4 opponents, but also then each of those Guilds and THEIR 4 opponents. Because each Guild has their own attack phase, not just defending. Winning 3/4 days doesn’t always guarantee moving up in the leaderboard, because there is always the chance that THOSE Guilds went on to defeat other Guilds with higher ELO’s. **In this instance** , I did ask a dev to double-check, and they confirmed that yes, it was calculated correctly. The loss your Guild took was greater than 2 of the wins combined, -12 to your ELO compared to your battles with sat around +6.5-+7. Whereas the opponent that your Guild lost to, also had a loss on one of their days, but overall their win scores were much higher, two of which were +12. **tldr** ; no bug has affected your score or your Guild’s current placement. * * * I understand the concern of a potential bug again with ELO scoring, as we had one instance where some empty Guilds were getting a high +ELO score - but that has since been resolved - I will always keep an eye out for more bugs and check what I can. But, I can’t always take a dev’s time, every instance someone moves in the GW leaderboard in a way they did not anticipate or don’t possibly agree with. Currently, to check such specific ELO scores and GW scores etc, I do need to borrow a dev. In 8.8 there will be a new end of day screen for Guilds, which will show exactly your score and your ELO +/- score, so hopefully that helps bring some clarity to movement as well. ---
**Author:** ![DelMonkan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@DelMonkan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DelMonkan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 3:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/3 "2025-07-16T15:00:11Z")
Hi @Jeto I would like some clarification on the first day You said that: “There was a visual only issue with the End of GW Day results, which is why they were initially incorrect, showing totally different Guilds and results.” According to the information ingame we faced $Rockstar$, however the result screen after the reset showed we actaully faced ourselves. However none of the names of the opposing guild defences matched our guild member names. Can you please clarify where the issue lies? Was the visual issue the guild we face or the result screen after reset? If the visual issue was only the result screen why does the API data still show that we faced ourselves? Is this one of the issue that will be addressed in 8.8? ---
**Author:** ![Jeto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jeto/32/101682_2.png) [@Jeto](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jeto)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 10:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/4 "2025-07-16T22:11:16Z")
As mentioned, there were two issues.. One was the End of Day summary was showing the incorrect information - a visual issue > [@Jeto](#): > > There was a visual only issue with the End of GW **Day** results The other was some Guilds were paired against themselves - an actual bug [https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/resolved-fighting-ourself-on-day-2-of-guild-wars](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/resolved-fighting-ourself-on-day-2-of-guild-wars) But as for this > [@xolid99](#): > > Upon analysing stored game data > [@DelMonkan](#): > > why does the API data still show that we faced ourselves Where is everyone reading this information? @xolid99 of the opponents you faced, were 4 different Guilds. I am now concerned if there is a community made tool being used, that is giving incorrect data and could cause unnecessary concern and incorrect reports. ---
**Author:** ![LittleWombat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/db5fbb/32.png) [@LittleWombat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LittleWombat)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 10:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/5 "2025-07-16T22:40:14Z")
Hi @Jeto Last GW started with (summary) leaderboard scores: 3 Varangian Guard 2918 4 Rock$tar 2764 5 Heartwork 2760 6 Anonymous 2759 7 Na rasslabone 2752 Using the ELO formula released with the update notes, ![Screenshot 2025-07-16 222723](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/0/2/027d9cb552b74c8d8da3a6a40d06d3e8020f18b0.png) Anonymous GW was WIN vs Rock$tar +12.17 ELO LOSS vs Heartwork -11.96 ELO WIN vs Na rasslabone +11.75 ELO WIN vs Varangian Guard +17.13 ELO These numbers don’t agree with Anon’s total weekly +9 ELO Or with the numbers you gave above for the 2 low wining scores (which would be defeating a guild around 150 ELO lower) Is my maths wrong? Has the formula changed? Or is the game somehow using the ELO score for a different opponent? (Like Marshal, which was one of the ‘visual’ differences at end of day ---
**Author:** ![Jeto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jeto/32/101682_2.png) [@Jeto](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jeto)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 10:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/6 "2025-07-16T22:51:54Z")
I wrote a whole post, and deleted it.. cos I wanna make sure everything I write is correct cos I’m not a maths guy y’all.. I’ll try to get a proper reply back later today to your comment and this thread ✨ _I have a day of leave tomorrow so if I can’t reply today, I will return on Monday_ ---
**Author:** ![Jeto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jeto/32/101682_2.png) [@Jeto](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jeto)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 2:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/7 "2025-07-17T02:16:19Z")
@LittleWombat, I ended up getting information directly from Sirrian in the meantime. > Their calculations are correct, so we would seem to have an Elo Scoring bug on our side. I would say it could be one of 3 things: > > - A **straight-up bug** in the implementation of the formula > - _Could be… it’s a fairly simple formula, but it contains a kinda complex power element, that might have an out-of-place bracket_ > > - An **order-of-processing** issue, where it’s applying ELO changes mid-calculation, that are affecting expected outcomes > - _I’m doubtful on this… I would imagine the error would be SMALLER in this case_ > > - A **data-access error,** where it’s pulling ELO from the wrong Guild for the calculation > - _Given some of the issues we’ve had with the event ENDING before we could finish processing things like mail, and some of the visual errors in reporting, I think this would be the most likely cause_ I am now waiting to find out, which part is the issue and if it can be fixed before the first Guild War battle begins ---
**Author:** ![Jeto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jeto/32/101682_2.png) [@Jeto](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jeto)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 3:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/8 "2025-07-17T03:25:42Z")
Can confirm it is the last one, as Sirrian theorised it likely would be - The formula is correct, the issue is where we pulling the current ELO, for the fighting Guilds. ---
**Author:** ![Jeto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jeto/32/101682_2.png) [@Jeto](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jeto)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 3:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/9 "2025-07-17T03:57:07Z")
Fix is in the works! The leaderboard score won’t change, as that is using the correct ELO What will change is the calculation of ELO on **each day** ---
**Author:** ![DelMonkan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@DelMonkan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DelMonkan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 6:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/10 "2025-07-17T06:45:15Z")
I’ll be happy to show you were we get the data ---
**Author:** ![xolid99](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/xolid99/32/66856_2.png) [@xolid99](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/xolid99)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 10:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/11 "2025-07-17T10:16:02Z")
Thanks for taking on board that there could have been an issue, and confirming there was with Sirrian. This is so helpful to the community to know that actually now, problems aren’t just dismissed and the community manager is working both ways, within obvious reason. We are happy to supply the evidence as @DelMonkan infers. Could I dare to ask? You mention some nice additions for 8.8. Are there any plans to add individual scoring indicators into guild wars. It’s been a heavily requested feature since release and it will really help motivate players. The previous version’s biggest success was that. For guildees and leaders, knowing what players did was a real bonus for overall participation. As a GL it’s really imperative. It’s also a huge thing with player retention I feel too. ---
**Author:** ![OminousGMan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ominousgman/32/70503_2.png) [@OminousGMan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/OminousGMan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 11:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/13 "2025-07-17T23:26:56Z")
Hey everyone, Just jumping in here real quick to provide an update as Jeto is on leave today. The fix that was in the works has been released 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kelana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kelana/32/88601_2.png) [@Kelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kelana)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 5:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/15 "2025-07-18T17:01:25Z")
> [@pit](#): > > this is the guild Unforgiven is facing today. real fair for the ELO and not too kind on the set up You might want to provide some context on your guild and why this is a bad matchup. ---
**Author:** ![Kelana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kelana/32/88601_2.png) [@Kelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kelana)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 7:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/17 "2025-07-18T19:09:55Z")
> [@pit](#): > > you don’t fully understand the post I probably understand more than you’re giving me credit for but it actually doesn’t matter whether I do or not. I’m genuinely trying to help you get a better outcome from your post because the mismatching of guilds is a very annoying issue. I just know from experience that the more information you lay out very clearly, and the less you make them look things up to figure them out, the better the result. Also, they’re busy with a lot of issues so it’s just a kind thing to do, to make it easier/faster to understand. ---
**Author:** ![WHOCARES25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/whocares25/32/102013_2.png) [@WHOCARES25](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/WHOCARES25)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/18 "2025-07-18T23:22:02Z")
It’s not about trophies or the Gow league rankings. It’s about the GWs league rankings. 2 different league structures completely. You shouldnt be looking at the Gow rankings stall. There’s no correlation. ---
**Author:** ![Hefram](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hefram](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Hefram)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 6:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/20 "2025-07-19T06:12:59Z")
Looks like the XP bonus when winning don’t work now… Some guild get bonus when loosing some don’t get when winning… Something broke with the fix. ---
**Author:** ![Hefram](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hefram](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Hefram)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 7:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/21 "2025-07-19T07:56:19Z")
We now won 3 days without getting XP bonus… ---
**Author:** ![Santandrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/santandrix/32/68758_2.png) [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 8:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/22 "2025-07-19T08:36:34Z")
We’re not supposed to get that anymore for winning. ---
**Author:** ![Hefram](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hefram](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Hefram)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 8:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/23 "2025-07-19T08:48:14Z")
When are we getting it then? Cause iv heard some guilds get it.. ---
**Author:** ![pit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f14d63/32.png) [@pit](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/pit)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 4:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156/24 "2025-07-19T16:08:11Z")
I “trashed” my previous post, text is easily misunderstood, we knew the wars was unfinished when you released. all that we can do until you make it better is enjoy the gold marks and extra experience gained from daily wins. I appreciate how it is promoting communication. Please stay working to fix and keep players interested. The image is to show we are currently receiving extra experience in Unbreakables on Xbox ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/1/1/11410beb1683217dca596f19f9ccead6286583e3.jpeg) really trying to understand, many opponents of the number one rated guild are not fully participating, Unbreakables has had a few opponents like that, but not as many as the current number one(placed there because the rating at start of new wars was trophies), is this not effecting ELO ratings? [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-elo-guild-wars-leaderboard/88156.md?page=2)