# \[Reported\] -123.000.000 (minus 123 million) points in GW, see screen
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783
**Category:** Bug Reports
**Created:** [November 17, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783 "2021-11-17T18:31:14Z")
**Posts on this page:** 16
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### Author:  [@Rhissa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rhissa)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/1 "2021-11-17T18:31:14Z")
Our guild score in bracket 11, on PC/mobile
This needs a fix before sunday
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### Author:  [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/2 "2021-11-17T18:39:04Z")
That happens when someone tries to bot their score đ¤ˇââď¸
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### Author:  [@SarcasticGimp](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/SarcasticGimp)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/3 "2021-11-17T18:45:52Z")
agree with @Magnusimus on this one ⌠same thing reported back in July and Kafka responded in regards to that incident: [[Reported] Negative Guild Wars Score Issue - #9 by Kafka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-negative-guild-wars-score-issue/71234/9)
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### Author:  [@Rhissa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rhissa)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2021, 6:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/4 "2021-11-17T18:50:14Z")
Seriously⌠? The guy with the negative score is in our guild since 3 months, and a casual player. Looking at level, trophies, PvP stats, etc⌠all his public visible stats are FAR below my own, this doesnât make a lot of sense.
And the player also doesnât seem to be banned⌠I havenât seen him online yet, but I still see him in the guild rooster.
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### Author:  [@Saephism](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saephism)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2021, 7:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/5 "2021-11-17T19:11:00Z")
Perhaps the player just made the silly mistake of taking matters into their own hands and trying to hack in the missing 2k points, and as such didnât mean any harm. Wouldnât be the smartest move, but wellâŚ
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### Author:  [@OneWorld](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/OneWorld)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/6 "2021-11-17T20:19:10Z")
> [@Rhissa](#):
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> And the player also doesnât seem to be banned⌠I havenât seen him online yet, but I still see him in the guild rooster.
They donât have an automated way to detect this yet. When it happens and you report it (as youâve done), they look into it and will ban the player if they feel they tried to hack the system, as they are doing in another case:
[https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/impossible-guildscore/72715/22?u=oneworld](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/impossible-guildscore/72715/22)
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### Author:  [@mitamata](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mitamata)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/7 "2021-11-17T20:33:35Z")
[https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/impossible-guildscore/72715/19?u=mitamata](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/impossible-guildscore/72715/19)
Since this is the second guild to report this this week, and with the âdefence points not being added to GW scoreâ bug, I wouldnât be surprised at all if there was nothing nefarious behind this score but just another bug âš
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### Author:  [@Wow](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Wow)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/8 "2021-11-17T20:40:47Z")
I agree with @mitamata this game is just buggy.
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### Author:  [@Tabu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tabu)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/9 "2021-11-17T20:42:01Z")
There was a thread a bit ago where someone claimed people were cheating on events. In that thread the devs said they have ways to see and stop it.
That system canât see a discrepancy in scoring like this? đ¤Ł
Seems like the same system in place for QA and testing⌠Both work similarly well.
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### Author:  [@Kafka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kafka)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2021, 12:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/10 "2021-11-18T00:02:41Z")
Linking my post about this here (Guild Wars got me busy today so linking helps me save time here to put my time in working on Guild Wars issues)
[https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/impossible-guildscore/72715/29?u=kafka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/impossible-guildscore/72715/29)
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### Author:  [@Rhissa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rhissa)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/11 "2021-11-18T17:26:06Z")
So our guild score is now positive again, but our guild member still has -123 mio personal points. And we still donât know whatâs going onâŚ
Judging the last 3 month of this game and of my guild friend, it is the game that behaved erratic and not my guild mate. Unless otherwise noted by a clear statement of IP2, I donât buy that cheat tool accusation.
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### Author:  [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2021, 5:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/12 "2021-11-18T17:58:13Z")
If the player got caught cheating theyâd be banned, right? So it seems like no dev went so far as to make that determination, which would suggest something is wrong with the game, not the player đ¤ˇââď¸
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2021, 11:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/14 "2021-11-18T23:01:02Z")
> [@Magnusimus](#):
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> If the player got caught cheating theyâd be banned, right? So it seems like no dev went so far as to make that determination, which would suggest something is wrong with the game, not the player đ¤ˇââď¸
The devs (Nor Kafka) would ever claim a player is cheating without being 100% certain.
Getting a negative score in GW wonât result in an automatic ban. The dev still has to review the player.
And given how many players can/may be cheating on PC. That can take a while to manually review each one.
So if the player if the player is still active on Monday. (A ban wonât remove them automatically from the guild.)
Then the player can be given the benefit of doubt. But for nowâŚunless you yourself are the player who knows they didnât cheat. Then no one but the devs and that player can be certain if they cheat or not.
Thereâs been numerous occasions where players cheated for years before getting caught. In fact the first player to ever reach level 2000 was banned for cheating. (I think)
And Iâm pretty sure, even now with all the âsuper activityâ it still takes years to reach level 2000.
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### Author:  [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/15 "2021-11-18T23:07:53Z")
I just assumed the guild points being manually reconfigured meant the player in question was also reviewed (and presumably cleared).
Does a ban not delete the account?
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/16 "2021-11-18T23:41:53Z")
> [@Magnusimus](#):
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> Does a ban not delete the account?
Nope. Just prevents the player from playing/logging in.
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### Author:  [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2021, 12:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-123-000-000-minus-123-million-points-in-gw-see-screen/72783/17 "2021-11-19T00:56:28Z")
That really sucks for GMs and honest players in general.
The banhammer should be a true banhammer. Devs could always restore an account if an appeal was won.