# Raging Bull **URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/raging-bull/59271 **Category:** Official News **Created:** [November 17, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/raging-bull/59271 "2019-11-17T23:01:27Z") **Posts on this page:** 5 **Page:** 2
### Author: ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra) #### Post date: [November 19, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/raging-bull/59271/22 "2019-11-19T23:48:04Z")
EDIT: look you’re not wrong. ---
### Author: ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan) #### Post date: [November 20, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/raging-bull/59271/23 "2019-11-20T00:12:54Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > Copy Cat isn’t summoning, we have discussed this. ![tenor%20(43)](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/6/3/63e08b66c0ff239784e5e3f88e8c07ab147f36d9.gif) I understood our conversation as the difference between summoning and transforming. ![Screenshot_20191119-180759](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/6/1/610005e50014201b406879aa0da6a40bdf5f8254.jpeg) But now you’ve lost me again. ☹ Gems of War should offer college credit, so please put being “accredited” on the feature request. I don’t know what they call it in Aussie Land. ---
### Author: ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra) #### Post date: [November 20, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/raging-bull/59271/24 "2019-11-20T00:19:45Z")
Honestly this could be me misremembering mid migraine. The explanation I made in your copy cat thread is the one to refer too. ---
### Author: ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan) #### Post date: [November 20, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/raging-bull/59271/25 "2019-11-20T01:57:28Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > Honestly this could be me misremembering mid migraine. The explanation I made in your copy cat thread is the one to refer too. Right. > [@(Not a bug)Copies of Enemies inconsistent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-copies-of-enemies-inconsistent/59070/7): > > Head’s up, I spoke to the team about this! Summon: Uses the Summoner’s Magic stat to determine the level. Transform: When a troop transforms itself into another troop, it keeps its existing level. In your instance @awryan, the first copycat is the summoned one, and the second copycat on the opponent’s team is the doppelganger which has transformed, keeping its pre-existing level. If I have misinterpreted your screenshots, please let me know. I’m just not tracking how Copycat isn’t classified as a summoner though. She’s basically like Princess Elspeth. Who I assume if she was a knight, she wouldn’t be able to summon her self. ---
### Author: ![ChunkyMono](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/chunkymono/32/69308_2.png) [@ChunkyMono](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ChunkyMono) #### Post date: [November 20, 2019, 4:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/raging-bull/59271/26 "2019-11-20T04:39:28Z")
Summoners summon. That’s what they do, guaranteed. Is AW a summoner because it has 75% chance to summon on enemy death? Is a Hyena a summoner because it can summon 3 copies of itself? No, because it requires a kill. Does the Copycat’s spell do what it says it will do? Yes. Time to hitch a ride on a Winged Buffalo, and move on. For the herd. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/raging-bull/59271.md?page=1)