# R.I.P. Maw meta. The new meta is Manticore/Khorvash? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [August 17, 2016, 6:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137 "2016-08-17T06:30:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/141 "2016-08-19T16:22:52Z")
I’ve volunteered before. Hell I even have credentials for that, sort of. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/142 "2016-08-19T20:21:51Z")
Believe it or not, I 100% agree. This is my immature response to the situation as of late. ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/143 "2016-08-19T20:45:02Z")
I’m not a bastion of well behavior, but i had the impression that we would continue the serious discussion. Well, if anything we’ll maybe “revisit” this topic as soon as more people have the chance to fully trait the new kingdom’s troops with Glory Packs to see if Mana drain will be a Meta or not. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/144 "2016-08-19T20:49:30Z")
I believe the intent is to slow games down a bit, prevent 4-Legendary power teams and foster creative team building. Mana Drain/Mana Burn is a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/145 "2016-08-19T20:56:24Z")
You can have too much of a good thing… Like a manticore on _every_ enemy team… ---
**Author:** ![Personette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/personette/32/3845_2.png) [@Personette](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Personette)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/146 "2016-08-19T21:24:58Z")
Should have guessed you’d come out with something like this, sooner or later. It’s obviously pointless to try to convince you that, hey, the most basic standard of being a decent human being is to try not to hurt other people. Can’t always be avoided, can’t always be predicted, but the urge not to cause unnecessary pain is kind of the litmus test. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/147 "2016-08-19T21:59:14Z")
Not seeing it. Not in the slightest. Still seeing way more Mab than Manti. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/148 "2016-08-19T22:01:59Z")
People complain too much around here. You’d never see me doing it ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 1:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/149 "2016-08-20T01:03:09Z")
> [@Robert](#): > > People complain too much around here. You’d never see me doing it I think we should make a complaining thread about complaining threads. ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/150 "2016-08-20T01:08:33Z")
The pictures and memes came out because this thread became “too” serious. To the point that if it got anymore heated it’d probably be closed. Aside from that though I kinda agree that mana drain is annoying, but not so much so that it isn’t welcomed. I’m of the mind set that almost always, “buff other troops or bring in new ones, before nerfing anything.” We saw that with maw though, and the amount of troops they had to bring out to try and counter maw was amazing. lol Mana drain though I don’t think so. Edit: Honestly I’m wondering if they made another “buff/balance” pass to the older troops how many of the new ones would still feel “op” to people. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/151 "2016-08-20T01:43:01Z")
Calling it now: A new trait that prevents mana drain. (Which is fine by me as long as it doesn’t get tacked onto Impervious.) ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/152 "2016-08-20T01:44:25Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > as long as it doesn’t get tacked onto Impervious They should just go all the way and make impervious immune to taking any damage. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Emos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/emos/32/5163_2.png) [@Emos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Emos)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/153 "2016-08-20T01:50:23Z")
Someone suggested that Mana Drain immunity should be combined with Mana Burn into the Mana Shield trait , I think it’s an idea worth looking at. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/154 "2016-08-20T01:55:54Z")
As long as it stays free of Impervious (which has Mana Shield baked in at present), it’s a good idea IMO. Mana Shield is relatively lackluster (but no moreso than Alert or Flying or Cunning I guess). ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 2:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/155 "2016-08-20T02:06:47Z")
It was me: > [@"Thick Head" trait, give with caution](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/thick-head-trait-give-with-caution/10394/20): > > A little late for the discussion but maybe the devs could consider some dual immunities for the troops like: Thick Head: Immune to Stun and Charm. Iron cast guts: Immune to Poison and Disease. Warded: Immune to Deathmark and Cursed. Mana Shield Immune to Mana Burn and Mana Drain. This would add a little more value to some traits and the troops itself. For example: Pride Guardian with Thick Head making him immune to Charm too would help his team since he wouldn’t deal damage to his allies, rem… To me it just makes sense that a shield protecting you from side effects of harmful mana manipulation would prevent you from losing mana as well. Caution, spoiler about Leonis Empire’s quest ahead. (Just in case someone would check the thread and wouldn’t want a spoiler about a kingdom yet to be unlocked.) Also it would make Amira a better choice to kill Khorvash on the kingdom’s quest. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 5:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/156 "2016-08-20T05:04:11Z")
Ha @lyya I called that one _ages_ ago… Tho probably before it was so endemically needed… How about a legendary trait that prevents _all_ mana drain to your team? Just put it on a useful but not overpowered legendary… So it becomes a counter strategy not a staple in _every_ defence… ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/157 "2016-08-20T14:20:54Z")
EVERY defense? I’m just over level 500 and I see Manti about 1 in 6 matches, maybe a little less. I still see Mab way more than anything else with BD and now Khorvash close behind. Manti wasn’t hard to get so it seems to me if it were REALLY OP it would be overwhelmingly prevalent at levels other than the very highest. I know it’s not a popular opinion but I would like to suggest yet again that the “OP troops are causing a lack of variety” problem is endemic to the top 1%. Either the players are being pigeonholed by the economy or some other game mechanic or something but this lack of variety that is being reported is ONLY being reported by some of the highest-level players in the game. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/158 "2016-08-20T14:23:20Z")
Great ideas all the way around. ---
**Author:** ![Emos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/emos/32/5163_2.png) [@Emos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Emos)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/159 "2016-08-20T14:38:45Z")
I like those dual trait ideas! With the Warded one, I would be tempted to have it protect against Deathmark and Skill Point Loss. That would cover Aspect of Famine. Aspect of Plague, Cursed and Supression. Would have it coded so that only the “Lose (X number) Skill points” traits would be covered by Warded. For example Aspect of Death would not be covered since it says ‘Steal 2 Life’. ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/160 "2016-08-20T14:43:07Z")
> [@Emos](#): > > I like those dual trait ideas! With the Warded one, I would be tempted to have it protect against Deathmark and Skill Point Loss. That would cover Aspect of Famine. Aspect of Plague, Cursed and Supression. I’m just not totally sure if it’s possible to code something like this without making it also immune to Entangled and Webbed. (But i’m not a programmer.) And speaking of each, an “Escape Artist” or “Unstoppable” trait preventing Entangled and Webbed. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137.md?page=7) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137.md?page=9)