# R.I.P. Maw meta. The new meta is Manticore/Khorvash? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [August 17, 2016, 6:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137 "2016-08-17T06:30:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Darkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkness/32/2712_2.png) [@Darkness](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkness)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 6:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/121 "2016-08-19T06:08:15Z")
Really? This > [@zachraziel](#): > > Hopefully, right now there isnt a developer seeing this request, rolling his/her eyes, thinking, ‘Would they like us to warm up some milk?’ is what you conclude from this (and then especially the last paragraph) > [@Darkness](#): > > I’ve been playing PVP quite a bit this week (164 battles so far), and it seems that the Maw meta is definately dead/dying. Last week at least 65-70% of the hard option opponents in PVP contained at least one Maw, but now that number has been reduced to maybe 25%. > > The new kings of PVP appear to be Manticore and Emperor Khorvash. Usually used both in the same team (around 50-60% of the time in the hardest option in PVP). Now change is good, 'cause the Maw meta was getting old, but Manticore/Khorvash is an incredibly annoying opponent to play against, 'cause playing against mana drain is no fun at all. > So, very respectfully, if this is what the devs intended to be the new meta (replacing Maw as the dominant troops in PVP) then this was obviously not tested very well. No offense intended to @Sirrian and @Nimhain, but this seems to have gone wrong somewhere in the design and/or testing phase. Losing all mana that you’ve accumulated every 3 turns is not a lot of fun when you need mana to cast a spell to eliminate Khorvash (with his stoneskin) in the first position. Skulls aren’t really a great alternative here… > > Also both troops seem to be OP. > > Especially Manticore (empowered, mana cost 9) is just way too cheap for its spell. It can be cast for free in the first turn and then again after 2-3 green or yellow matches. Perhaps this would be better changed to “Fast” and a mana cost of 11-12. > > Khorvash is midly OP, IMHO. He does seem to be the only legendary that has three great traits, so maybe “Leader” or “Stoneskin” to something a little less great would be a good idea. > > But Manticore is in much greater need of a nerf than Khorvash, cause right now an empowerd base ultrarare is dominating high level PVP, which (to me anyway) seems very strange indeed. > > And please don’t take this as a rant/complaint 'cause you think I can’t handle the new meta. I lost only 5 of the 164 battles I’ve played this week, so beating Manticore/Khorvash is not a problem. The problem is that they are no fun to play against and I really do prefer to have fun while playing games…😉 @all: The responses to this topic have been really mindboggling to me. Why is there such a need to seem almost hostile on both sides of the argument? This topic was just meant to discuss the new emerging meta, and to suggest that 2 of the dominant troops in the new meta (who are both newer troops) are IMHO a bit OP, but more importantly very annonying to play against. So to reduce the annoyance I’d like to see a small change to especially Manticore (which is what I suggested in the first post). If anyone disagrees with that, then fine. No problem! We don’t decide this anyway… It was just a suggestion. I can just select to play against PVP teams without Manticore to avoid being anoyed… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 7:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/122 "2016-08-19T07:16:15Z")
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**Author:** ![zachraziel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zachraziel/32/3836_2.png) [@zachraziel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/zachraziel)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 8:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/123 "2016-08-19T08:49:54Z")
> [@Darkness](#): > > Why is there such a need to seem almost hostile on both sides of the argument? I don’t think I was hostile at all. You stated your opinion, then I stated mine. > [@Darkness](#): > > If anyone disagrees with that, then fine. No problem! Then there was really no need to question my opinion, was there 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Darkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkness/32/2712_2.png) [@Darkness](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkness)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 9:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/124 "2016-08-19T09:01:03Z")
The “hostile” actually wasn’t referring to you. It was about the general tone of responses of several people in this thread. I’m sorry if that was unclear in my post. I was just confused about how you got to the “warm up some milk” bit from the Manticore nerf that I suggested… Maybe I should’ve just send my post in a support ticket to the devs instead of posting it on this forum, 'cause the way this topic derailed is rather similar to how a lot of this type of topics seem to derail on this forum. ---
**Author:** ![zachraziel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zachraziel/32/3836_2.png) [@zachraziel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/zachraziel)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 9:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/125 "2016-08-19T09:05:46Z")
Because in my post I stated about how very frustrated I’ve been due to all requests of nerfing a said ‘over powered’ troop are eventually taken up by the Dev’s as the ‘people’s choice’ and implemented in the game. I was hoping that the same wasn’t going to happen here, with a developer wondering about yet another request for a nerf against two troops that were designed in the first place to target other ‘nerf please’ troops - Maw, Mab and Mercy. ---
**Author:** ![Treemo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/treemo/32/8848_2.png) [@Treemo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Treemo)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 10:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/126 "2016-08-19T10:33:36Z")
Manticore and Khorvash op. Better nerf Mercy. 😸 ---
**Author:** ![CSZ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/csz/32/4784_2.png) [@CSZ](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CSZ)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 10:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/127 "2016-08-19T10:42:14Z")
Don’t tell me that Mercy has a bad case of Greninja syndrome… ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/128 "2016-08-19T14:09:21Z")
The venom comes from the fact that the “new” meta is the same as the “old” meta. “New troops too tough. Nerf!” “No, don’t nerf!” THIS thread didn’t cause it - the fact that it’s a repeat of the last thread, the one before that, and the one before that did. People are just frustrated with the song and dance. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/129 "2016-08-19T14:15:18Z")
The developers don’t always balance just right. So they use mediums such as this for feedback and adjust ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 2:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137/130 "2016-08-19T14:16:32Z")
Of course. It’s not really a problem. It’s just that this thread went from 0 to 60 almost instantly because the warm-up period was used up in the other 30 previous threads similar to this one… ---
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Yeah… The pictures/memes are fun and all, but i still think that more moderators would be nice… Even if it would means more trouble for me included of course. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137.md?page=6) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/r-i-p-maw-meta-the-new-meta-is-manticore-khorvash/11137.md?page=8)