# Queen Mab, The Goddess **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [June 11, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282 "2016-06-11T17:13:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 3:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/41 "2016-06-12T03:13:54Z")
I’m not sure about there being as much variety on consoles. Goblins and Knights are a large majority of what I see (easily 75% of what I have to face). Fey and Dragons are the next 2 common ones though far less than the above. While I do see “different” ones, by in large I see the same teams quite often. And between the 2 I do find the pc PvP to be way more interesting and the rewards more exciting than the console grind which will still have many months to catch up. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/42 "2016-06-12T03:16:37Z")
You listed 4 _types_ of builds while suggesting there are more. PC is currently 60-75% the same 2 builds. Sounds like variety to me ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 3:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/43 "2016-06-12T03:20:39Z")
No I said 2 builds take up 75% of what I see with 2 more taking up most of the rest. Thing is on pc, I have a choice of 3 matches at a time. While the rewards may not be worth some of those matches, I do see quite a bit more there than simply what the top tier talk about. Now I know between you and the Mrs you probably have a different experience than I do. But from my experiences, console is far more repetitive ---
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/44 "2016-06-12T03:25:29Z")
I am level 360+ and I’m lucky if I face Maw even once a day (I’ve played 20 games today, 1 Maw, 7 goblins, 1 Mab, 3 Gorgotha, 2 Infernal King/Shergga, and the remaining where composed of 2nd rate cakewalk teams) I always face the 3 trophy team except when the revenge is in play (2 revenges today worth 2, none were the easy choice) I’ve checked this info by checking my battle log and I’m consistently scratching my head as to people claiming they see Maw everywhere, where I usually face between 1-3 and they don’t alway have their traits Is it my level? Or perhaps have I just been dodging the bullet ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 3:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/45 "2016-06-12T03:27:33Z")
I see Goblins a decent amount but the only Knight that is commonly used is Knight Coronet. Dragons, Fey, Venoxia/Webspinner, Jarl teams, Bone Dragon, Luther builds, etc. are all prominent on Consoles. There are others, but I’d just be reinforcing my argument even more ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/46 "2016-06-12T03:29:51Z")
Like I said our experiences are different cause I get goblins every other match still. ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/47 "2016-06-12T03:33:11Z")
It’s probably your level. My friend that is in the 600s sees mostly some version of a Maw team. I’ve watched him cut through Maw after Maw after Mercy Maw. Then, I see him fight some Mabs in between. Now, I’m around level 155, and I see mostly stinking, annoying goblins with the occasional Maw team or Mab team. Then, there is a small percentage of other teams. ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 3:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/48 "2016-06-12T03:40:23Z")
1 thing I see a lot of is @Justakid. I beat him, he revenged me, I revenged him, he revenged me again, and I’m about to return the favor again. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 3:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/49 "2016-06-12T03:42:29Z")
Well I DO PvP 2-3x more than you 😉 We will have to agree to disagree buddy ✌ ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/50 "2016-06-12T05:40:05Z")
I agree with @shimrra and @tacet in that Mab is just _too_ good… Playing with her is basically easy mode… With minimal set-up, two Mabs and casting a Valkyrie you can easily pull off 2-4 consecutive Mab casts while holding the turn. I’d suggest all of the following: - lose Arcane (way too much on an AoE troop as I have said elsewhere) - give her Magic/2 scaling not Magic scaling, the same as Crescendo has (and as all AoE really should have but that’s a different thread…) - tick up the extra turns to 11 blues not 10 With all of that she’d still be a powerful legendary, but more situational. Her spell _should_ be Mana Burn, with a little core damage, _not_ huge AoE with a little Mana Burn on the side. Her third trait is cool, annoying, and strong. She gets to keep that, at the balancing cost of making sure her spell doesn’t trivialise the game. ---
**Author:** ![Royalty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/royalty/32/1683_2.png) [@Royalty](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Royalty)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/51 "2016-06-12T06:37:51Z")
This is an interesting perspective. Creating a strong troop on purpose, grab the money and nerf it later on. I can’t believe someone would do that, so let’s assume they are just bad at designing, testing and don’t learn from mistakes. If you ask me, i’m fed up with this nerf cycle thing (and bugs). Remember the words “We promise to do better” after the Dust Devil saga? ---
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/52 "2016-06-12T06:42:54Z")
@Jainus You made 2 nerf suggestions up above that I agree with you half way, in my opinion changing Mab’s spell to scale off of half magic _and_ change her 2nd trait from arcane, is a bit too harsh, I think one or the other would more than suffice (maybe it the part of me that uses her thinks this) I think it would be best to let her keep arcane but implement the half magic scale as it would take 2 spell casts to net 1 additional damage and Crescendo goes up an entire 1 true damage on _every_ cast. I would ideally like to see her left alone especially since she’s not a huge threat on defense (in my opinion) but if I had to choose a nerf for her I would not enact both of your suggestions (I am ok changing the extra turn to 11-12 if needed though) ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 7:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/53 "2016-06-12T07:46:00Z")
> [@Cell](#): > > in my opinion changing Mab’s spell to scale off of half magic and change her 2nd trait from arcane, is a bit too harsh, I think one or the other would more than suffice (maybe it the part of me that uses her thinks this) I think it would be best to let her keep arcane but implement the half magic scale as it would take 2 spell casts to net 1 additional damage That’s fair… ---
**Author:** ![Athilias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Athilias](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Athilias)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 8:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/54 "2016-06-12T08:45:47Z")
Maybe because not everyone has a big variety in legendaries and their levels? For example, the top player is running Bone Dragon/Shadow Dragon/Sheggra/Queen Mab which is obviously not a normal build (he might not be running this on offense admittedly). ---
**Author:** ![zachraziel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zachraziel/32/3836_2.png) [@zachraziel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/zachraziel)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 8:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/55 "2016-06-12T08:51:02Z")
Seriously? “Maw is too hard, game is broken!” “Mab is too easy, game is broken!” Positive and negative cancelling each other out, game fixed…? Nothing to see here… ---
**Author:** ![Emos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/emos/32/5163_2.png) [@Emos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Emos)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 1:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/56 "2016-06-12T13:02:48Z")
Based on the above suggestions: I would keep Arcane, have the AoE scale to 1/2 magic and perhaps change extra turn to either 11 or 12 blue. This would still make her feel like a Legendary IMHO. In fact all AoE spells should scale off 1/2 magic and this is coming from a guy who was part of the Peasant pitchfork brigade when the beloved Crimson Bat was about to receive that adjustment. In retrospect I would have learned to adapt with Sirrians initial change during the switchover to Ghulvania week. Perhaps give his base magic a bit of a boost to not have it hurt so much 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Justakid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Justakid](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Justakid)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 1:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/57 "2016-06-12T13:14:21Z")
best thing ive heard in ages, zach! ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 1:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/58 "2016-06-12T13:24:03Z")
I still don’t understand why this conversation even exists really. Yes, she IS strong, but only on offense, so what? Running basically the same team but with bat instead of mab: Sooth Valk Bat Bat Wins just as often, and at almost the same speed, yet there was nobody complaining this hard about the bat before mab. Sure the extra turns are different, but still my point stand. You think she is too OP? Don’t past with her, play another build that will probably be just as powerful and fast. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/59 "2016-06-12T13:28:19Z")
And by the way, you know what happens when troops become “situational” ? They never get used. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 1:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282/60 "2016-06-12T13:29:27Z")
Quite some good points by you Machinknight. Thank you. 🙂 [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/queen-mab-the-goddess/8282.md?page=4)