# PVP stats (20 (3)trophy opponents) **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [June 13, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388 "2016-06-13T22:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Dorgath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dfb087/32.png) [@Dorgath](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dorgath)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/41 "2016-06-15T14:11:02Z")
I was thinking that. It’s hard to tell since the Revenge doesn’t appear right away in my list and I don’t think to check my log, but from memory, when a Revenge _does_ show up, it’s usually at or above my level. But I’ll try to remember to look at it more closely next time. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/42 "2016-06-15T14:25:01Z")
Seriously what is determining my pvp gains? ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/f/fac0707837bd076a331268001e9c2aa7e967a596.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/43 "2016-06-15T14:25:39Z")
What level are they compared to you? And what is your Defense Team power level? ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/44 "2016-06-15T14:33:44Z")
They are level 206, my defender’s team level is 5054. My level though is 187. ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/45 "2016-06-15T14:34:38Z")
Losing to a lower level player in PVP might be one of the reasons, and maybe they had plus 6000 team or something? _shrugs_ I’m just making guesses. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/46 "2016-06-15T14:41:33Z")
They did lose to goblins so i can not fault them for their loss. ---
**Author:** ![Dorgath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dfb087/32.png) [@Dorgath](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dorgath)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/47 "2016-06-15T18:12:00Z")
Whaddya know, when I logged on I had 3 def defeats, so I lost 6 pts from a level 187 and 5 pts each from a level 280 and 287. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/48 "2016-06-15T18:14:03Z")
i Wonder something though, have you always been able to gain pvp points from successful defences since 2.0 dropped and we simply did not notice or was it implimented due to outcries of the player base about unfairness? ---
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/49 "2016-06-15T18:27:39Z")
@killerman3333 Yes since day 1 of 2.0 def wins gave points (around 5-13 points) but def losses against players of lower levels than you caused you to lose 14-26 points so people never really noticed (I did cause I checked my battle log after every win/loss) ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/50 "2016-06-15T18:57:19Z")
The insentive to hard defence for players seems like a good idea from day one huh? Neet. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/51 "2016-06-15T19:28:11Z")
It has clearly had its positives and negatives on the metagame. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388.md?page=2)