# PVP stats (20 (3)trophy opponents) **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [June 13, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388 "2016-06-13T22:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DEMONorANGEL](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/demonorangel/32/41260_2.png) [@DEMONorANGEL](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DEMONorANGEL)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/21 "2016-06-14T02:14:49Z")
@Cell Hehe i seen me in the line up of photos šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Hairyskinback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hairyskinback/32/3566_2.png) [@Hairyskinback](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Hairyskinback)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/22 "2016-06-14T04:58:28Z")
So he had one easy opponent at least then šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Koolbiird](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/koolbiird/32/5099_2.png) [@Koolbiird](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Koolbiird)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/23 "2016-06-14T13:49:54Z")
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**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/24 "2016-06-14T14:07:59Z")
Interesting to see this info! Also interesting to note, the only non-legendaries that appear in the ~1000 level teams (barring the one goblin team) are: Rock Worm Deep Borer Siren Soothsayer Valkyrie Maralith Mercy (though she might as well be legendary šŸ˜›) Half of which are mana creators (either transformers or spawners) And some teams have as many as 4 unique legendaries. While in Cellā€™s ones all the teams seem to have at most 2 unique legendaries. My theory behind all this is this: Legendary troops are the best in the game (on average), so using them is a huge boost to your team (assuming done correctly). But as you said in the other thread Koolbiird: > [@Updated Mab in PvP graphs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/updated-mab-in-pvp-graphs/7504/181): > > At level lower levels, you field what you can. So the lower levels are forced into a more varied meta because they have no other choice. They have at best a handful of legendaries, and likely wonā€™t have them with more than 1 or 2 traits (if that). While at the top of the level curve the players have more resources, and have accumulated not only more cards, but also more traitstones, allowing them to trait their Legendaries (and Epics) up to 3 traits to get some of those VERY nice 3rd traits. And once you have those, the lower tier rarities generally canā€™t compare, so teams get built with mostly legendary troops just to be competitive. And since there is a smaller pool of competitive troops, the meta is a lot less varied and more stagnant. So possible fixes would be either just more Legendary troops, or closing the power gap somehow between Legendary and the other rarities. Just my thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![MarvelKit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/marvelkit/32/7072_2.png) [@MarvelKit](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/MarvelKit)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/25 "2016-06-14T14:48:44Z")
This sort of resembles the teams I get to face. Level 687. ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/26 "2016-06-14T15:40:13Z")
Defense team diversity at low levels doesnā€™t last long. Iā€™m level 155, and all I see are some variation of Goblins, Mab or Maw. Itā€™s quite boring, and makes me dread playing PVP. I donā€™t think the problem will be fixed by nerfs or adding new legendaries. People will just drift to using the new overused meta. Just look at the crazy rise of Mab even at levels 0 - 200 in the defense troop charts in my spreadsheet in the leaderboard thread. I think the devs need to incentivize changing up defense teams during the events. Otherwise, people will continue to just use the latest super meta ad nauseum. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/27 "2016-06-14T15:55:01Z")
I think the devs made a mistake by allowing defense losses to affect PvP score at all. Prior to 2.0, you were actually better off with a weak defense, as revenges were more lucrative than defends. As a result, there was (often amusing) creativity in suboptimal defenses. Additionally, the game would select a match for you, which would often be a suitably challenging one for your level, but sometimes not. All of this added up to a variety of encounters, influenced by the meta but not dogmatic to it. Now, it is detrimental to your own progress to field a suboptimal defense, or to pick a battle thatā€™s lower than ā€œhard.ā€ These two factors combined means that there are more players fielding the meta, and the game selecting one of those from a list the player distills herself. We ā€œmissā€ even the goblin meta, but weā€™ll never see it as long as itā€™s considered ā€œmedium.ā€ I think we all miss the change-of-pace humorous defenses, but theyā€™re relegated to a sandbox those concerned with efficiency will never touch. By giving us options, the game has allowed players to narrow their own variety, lest they waste their time on a suboptimal fight. ---
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/28 "2016-06-14T16:17:20Z")
@Lyya I purposed this yesterday: > [@Cell](#): > > To mix up defense team can there be a kind of ā€œEvent Troopā€ week where something like the Glory received from defense wins/losses is doubled if the event troop is in your defense team? At the least maybe something like this will encourage shifting defense teams a bit (2 glory per loss will add up) mostly I think itā€™ll be fun watching people try to squeeze the event troop with their Mercy/Maw line up ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/29 "2016-06-14T16:33:29Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > Prior to 2.0, you were actually better off with a weak defense, as revenges were more lucrative than defends. As a result, there was (often amusing) creativity in suboptimal defenses. For anyone who is looking for not-boring matches, Iā€™m not sure how this helps at all. When the enemy defense is weak (read: not Maw), I donā€™t even have to pay attention to what the enemy has to offer, I just cast my spells in order, and watch the enemy disappear, no matter who it is. Thereā€™s nothing more interesting in these matches, besides maybe the troopsā€™ art, but to enjoy that I donā€™t need to play a match, just enter the troops menuā€¦ When I play a front-line maw, at least I have to pay more attention to the enemy and the board, and actually strategize my moves - since any mistake can be fatal. If there is any match I can still consider interesting to play, itā€™s these matches, against the strong meta teams which actually force me to play, rather than boringly waltz through a bunch of fast matches where the enemy doesnā€™t really matter. Unless when people ask for variety, all they really ask is for easier matches? If so, I can at least understand the problem, but then why call it by the wrong name? ---
**Author:** ![CSZ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/csz/32/4784_2.png) [@CSZ](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CSZ)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 9:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/30 "2016-06-15T09:07:00Z")
Level 410 here. Main PVP team has around 6000 power. Never faced Mab yet and only one Great Maw since 2.0 came. Anything below 6500 power is more diverse than anything above it. I could say itā€™s your own fault assembling such a strong team, but thatā€™s way over the top isnā€™t it? Itā€™s just weird that people like me, who stay weak on purpose, have an easier and more fun time than those who assemble a 7000+ power team. This canā€™t stay that way obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Dorgath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dfb087/32.png) [@Dorgath](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dorgath)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/31 "2016-06-15T11:43:21Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > I think the devs made a mistake by allowing defense losses to affect PvP score at all. Prior to 2.0, you were actually better off with a weak defense, as revenges were more lucrative than defends. As a result, there was (often amusing) creativity in suboptimal defenses.[/quote] > > The devs will never please everyone as this statement attests. Pre-2.0, there were plenty of the threads/discussion about why does the game reward revenges and thus encourage weak defense teams (i.e. single hero or that Wall or whatever) and calls to make PvP Defenses worth putting up a strong defense team. > > [quote]All of this added up to a variety of encounters, influenced by the meta but not dogmatic to it. And while I personally agree that I saw lots of variety, again, there were many threads/discussions about the prevalence of goblins/true shot/agile (when the bug was around) teams and people _werenā€™t_ seeing variety. I think the tweaks made to the number of points lost for a PvP is what was needed. You pay a small price for losing but a PvP win will more than make up for it. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/32 "2016-06-15T12:10:31Z")
I am wondering how many pvp points we lose for a lose in our defence team. Is it a fixed number or a variable one, and if it is variable what changes that variable. ---
**Author:** ![Koolbiird](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/koolbiird/32/5099_2.png) [@Koolbiird](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Koolbiird)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/33 "2016-06-15T12:19:55Z")
Look at your battle log. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/34 "2016-06-15T12:22:31Z")
> [@Koolbiird](#): > > Look at your battle log. Wait defence victories do give points, by the holy light! ---
**Author:** ![Dorgath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dfb087/32.png) [@Dorgath](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dorgath)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/35 "2016-06-15T12:54:33Z")
> [@killerman3333](#): > > I am wondering how many pvp points we lose for a lose in our defence team. Is it a fixed number or a variable one, and if it is variable what changes that variable. Iā€™ve been losing a fixed five points. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/36 "2016-06-15T12:55:25Z")
I went ahead and checked and i am getting a variable of 3,4,5,6 point loses but if i win a pvp defence i get 7. ---
**Author:** ![Dorgath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dfb087/32.png) [@Dorgath](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dorgath)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 1:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/37 "2016-06-15T13:26:09Z")
Dang. Then somehow Iā€™m at the high end of the point losing spread. šŸ˜‚ ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 1:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/38 "2016-06-15T13:34:52Z")
Iā€™m curious, what level are you and what power level is your defense team? ---
**Author:** ![Dorgath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dfb087/32.png) [@Dorgath](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dorgath)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 1:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/39 "2016-06-15T13:38:09Z")
Was that to me or Killerman33? Well, if it was to me, Iā€™m level 236 and I _think_ the power level of my def team is 6800-7000 (not sure since it always fluctuates when I use it to attack also). ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 1:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388/40 "2016-06-15T13:39:48Z")
It was at you. Hmm Iā€™m just wondering whether maybe youā€™re getting a lot of players lower than you (either in level or team power) attacking you and winning, hence the fixed higher point value for losses. Just a random theory though. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-stats-20-3-trophy-opponents/8388.md?page=3)