# PvP Scoring - Help Understanding **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [July 11, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250 "2017-07-11T19:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TootFart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tootfart/32/22181_2.png) [@TootFart](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TootFart)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250/1 "2017-07-11T19:09:36Z")
I’m guessing it’s because of the level difference, but I’m having a hard time figuring how this scoring is so different. I cant testify to #2’s trophy picks, but I always do the three trophy fights. With more wins, less than a quarter of the losses, and defense winning over 50%… how is there over 1k score difference? ☹ Anyone got a formula or able to point me the direction of some explanation about how this is so different? ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/5/c/5c3cf919cf6d22e57b13653ae279cfb171f8efd7.png) ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250/2 "2017-07-11T19:28:28Z")
The devs haven’t released a formula, but one thing that can come into play that not everyone realizes is that guild bonuses have a huge impact. For example, when I moved from a top guild to a casual guild, my 3 trophy matchups went from an average of about 45 points to close to 60 (with a maximum of 66). I’m on PS4, so I don’t know which players or guilds are represented on your screenshot, but if one is in a more casual guild, there can be more potential points available. Obviously, no one can tell whether people are taking 1, 2 or 3 trophy matchups and that tends to be the biggest difference maker. The casual PVP bug might be influencing the 2nd player’s stats as well. If they put up an ‘easy’ PVP defence (like 4x Sacrifice), people might be farming them in casual PVP, which will show up as a bunch of extra ranked PVP wins on their stats (but won’t actually give them any ranked PVP points). A defence win rate that high is usually a sign of this, rather than an actual high defence win rate in ranked. If they change their team a lot, it could be a mixture of both. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250/3 "2017-07-11T19:32:38Z")
1st person is doing 3 trophies mainly and losing more. 2nd person is doing 2 trophies mainly and winning more. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250/4 "2017-07-11T19:34:02Z")
> [@Tacet](#): > > 1st person is doing 3 trophies mainly and losing more. > > 2nd person is doing 2 trophies mainly and winning more. Oh sure, if you want to jump straight to the simple explanation… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250/5 "2017-07-11T19:41:16Z")
This thread might be interesting to you: > [@This is why people are worried about GW. Can anyone explain?](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/this-is-why-people-are-worried-about-gw-can-anyone-explain/21747/115): > > @htismaqe & @Rickygervais I have a new theory about how we could see the results we are seeing. I’ve now done about 40 PVP’s since changing guilds and I am still getting 66 point matchups (and others over 60) and I’m beginning to think that I won’t get a downward change in the upper range (I’m pretty sure if it was going to happen, 3 days and 40 battles should be enough to flush through my old matchups). In fact, I’m getting so many 66 point matchups (roughly 25-35% of my offers) that I thin… And here is a similar thread where I tracked some detailed results for a while: > [@PVP Points seem to be very unbalanced](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-points-seem-to-be-very-unbalanced/21953/10): > > @Rickygervais, @htismaqe Here are the results for my first 41 PVP offers over last night and this morning. I accepted any battle with a PVP score of 60 or greater. Of those 41, 24 were 60 or greater, meaning that I skipped 17 battles at a cost of 17 gems. Of the 24 I did, 18 were 66 points, 4 were 60 and one each were 65 and 63. My record was 21 wins and 3 losses. The average offer to me was 60.1 and the average that I accepted was 64.8. Each of the three losses cost me exactly 3 points. … ---
**Author:** ![Gilgamesh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gilgamesh/32/29022_2.png) [@Gilgamesh](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gilgamesh)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250/6 "2017-07-11T19:49:33Z")
Their are huge difference in the two guilds gem masteries. One of the players will not level all kingdoms to keep increased rewards. Gem masteries are a huge negative sink in PvP points and gold rewards. Defense is negligible in PvP ranking points because losses arent much penalty. By setting a lower defense you will recieve lower opponents and lower points but perhaps more points per hour if the fights are faster which depends on invade team minimum of 31pts I think. Transversally setting a high defense will net you higher rated opponents worth more points but could be longer fights potentially. ---
**Author:** ![TootFart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tootfart/32/22181_2.png) [@TootFart](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TootFart)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250/7 "2017-07-11T20:15:23Z")
Like I said in the post, my games are 100% 3 trophy. And more wins with way better defense so no, that’s not it. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250/8 "2017-07-11T20:23:10Z")
> [@TootFart](#): > > 100% 3 trophy Do you repick with gems? I spend around 10-50 gems an hour when doing 3 trophies casually, and would likely use upwards of 100 if trying to maximise points. > [@TootFart](#): > > way better defense That could also be a problem with the points. Maybe try a bad lower score defend team and see if that gives a higher rate per hour. ---
**Author:** ![TootFart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tootfart/32/22181_2.png) [@TootFart](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TootFart)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250/9 "2017-07-11T20:32:39Z")
> [@Tacet](#): > > Do you repick with gems? No, I dont have gems to waste I always just play whichever 3 trophies is there. But they seem to only average ~40 where they used to be 52+ > [@Tacet](#): > > Maybe try a bad lower score defend team If my defense loses don’t I lose score? Or is the only way to lose score by losing an attack? ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250/10 "2017-07-11T20:35:52Z")
> [@TootFart](#): > > If my defense loses don’t I lose score? Or is the only way to lose score by losing an attack? You lose score if your defend team losses, but if changing your team to a lower score gives you more points per battle, such as 50s instead of 40s, then it is much worth it to have a different defend team. There are a lot of very weird things that causes your enemies to have lower points. I really just wish they would make a flat rate of 15/30/50 for 1/2/3 trophies. ---
**Author:** ![TootFart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tootfart/32/22181_2.png) [@TootFart](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TootFart)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250/11 "2017-07-11T20:41:48Z")
Hmm… More points per battle, but I’d be losing more to my defense losing more. Although I’ve never not played more games than I’ve defended, so that might work. > [@Tacet](#): > > I really just wish they would make a flat rate of 15/30/50 for 1/2/3 trophies. To easy, too straight forward, too much sense. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250/12 "2017-07-11T21:07:13Z")
That flat rate per trophy only works if the offers scale well. I often get 1 and 2 trophy matches that are practically the same as the 3. The whole system needs the attention that it was promised a long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ariel/32/17124_2.png) [@Ariel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ariel)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-scoring-help-understanding/27250/13 "2017-07-12T21:53:00Z")
If you want to get the highest scores you have to get out of a guild.