# PvP rankings are a joke
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)
**Created:** [April 16, 2017, 9:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677 "2017-04-16T09:37:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@death](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/death)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 6:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/124 "2017-04-18T06:12:51Z")
Lol, if you left guild you would lose Guild Mana Masteries and your guild task skill bonus. Yep longer games bro
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 6:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/125 "2017-04-18T06:14:12Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#):
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> we will be reviewing the way PVP points and gold are determined in the future once Guild Wars has been released
I understand and ty about it but it really look like these changes been made recently (2 months) cause before that my points for 3 trophy fights was around 45-55 and now every week it seen like it drop this week im around 35-45 for same difficulry fights
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 6:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/126 "2017-04-18T06:18:38Z")
> [@death](#):
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> Lol, if you left guild you would lose Guild Mana Masteries and your guild task skill bonus. Yep longer games bro
Pretty sure i still can finish a fight quickly with
Kraken
Valk
Justice
Mab
Even if you don’t have mana masterie and bonus you will still finish fight with over 100att and heath
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### Author:  [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 6:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/127 "2017-04-18T06:21:14Z")
I have just confirmed with the team that no changes have been made to PVP points in the last six months.
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 6:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/128 "2017-04-18T06:23:09Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#):
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> have just confirmed with the team that no changes have been made to PVP points in the last six months
Does the gardian statue affect the pvp points? Cause we just hitted max that may explain why my points keep droping?
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### Author:  [@death](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/death)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 6:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/129 "2017-04-18T06:24:42Z")
Your missing the point and my original post was a joke. Lmao
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### Author:  [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 6:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/130 "2017-04-18T06:25:01Z")
Your guild statues do affect your PVP points as they give you a stat bonus and add to your masteries.
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 6:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/131 "2017-04-18T06:26:38Z")
Alright ty @Saltypatra i got my answer but that still suck you guys better hurry to release 3.0 update and fix this!!! 😛
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### Author:  [@Aelthwyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Aelthwyn)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/132 "2017-04-18T06:38:36Z")
> [@jeno](#):
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> i’m sure dev is doing their work on their end. maybe the person checks out.
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> this is just speculation and suspicion based on pvp score. i am interested in actual proof that they are cheating/coordinated sharing. that is if account sharing is illegal. sharing itself is gray area. some say it’s ok to share casually with family members. where is the line between legal and illegal sharing? how much is too much?
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> but i’m more interested in how they are doing it legitly, if that is what they are doing. what team are they using. how are they playing. does it involve quitting long matches. which opponents to pick.
PM sent. (10 char)
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### Author:  [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 8:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/133 "2017-04-18T08:14:37Z")
> [@Gouki](#):
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> No, all of us don’t, some of us may suspect,
Only people who wouldnt know it are those who dont follow anything (not saying there arent such people).
If you do check pvp leaderboards at least once a week youll notice the names never change. Think about it. Is it possible that for week after week, for months, same players are doing 1000+ pvp fights?
Maybe 1 out of 10 players that do this are playing with their own effort (no bot or account sharing).
We can pretend we arent noticing anything suspicios but thats just pretending.
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### Author:  [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 8:41am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/134 "2017-04-18T08:41:18Z")
I didn’t say there isn’t anything suspicious, as a matter of fact i explicitly used the term ‘suspect’ in the post you quoted. But suspecting something is **not knowing**.
My experience in computer games taught me that there are a lot of players that make a game the center of their world, causing them to play for 15+ hours a day for months, or even over a year.
I also wasn’t implying cheaters don’t exist, unlike you however i wouldn’t assume that 9 out of 10 players at the top are cheaters, but your guess is as good as mine.
Regardless what number you assume, suspecting them all and actually verifying who of those 10 players are cheaters or no-lifers are completely different things.
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### Author:  [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 8:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/135 "2017-04-18T08:50:12Z")
could you place a simple limiter for pvp points gained ?
like pvp points can be given only once per 2 minutes (battle completed faster then in 2 minutes from last point-rewarding battle loot will grant no points)
ppl farming gold would not be affected, super fast bots would
would also introduce an improvement in skill requirement
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### Author:  [@sdoherty14](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sdoherty14)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 9:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/136 "2017-04-18T09:03:28Z")
nice intentions…
what would one do if they played 1 troop defenses… or would this help eliminate that do you think ?
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### Author:  [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 9:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/137 "2017-04-18T09:06:29Z")
what is an issue with 1 troop defense actually?
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### Author:  [@sdoherty14](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sdoherty14)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 9:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/138 "2017-04-18T09:09:09Z")
I have none, i just mean it can take less than 2 mins… and by implementing your idea, i wouldn’t get rewards. nothing personal 🙂
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### Author:  [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 9:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/139 "2017-04-18T09:10:12Z")
every second fight you would 😛
im guessing bots are probably somehow skipping loading screens or something
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### Author:  [@sdoherty14](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sdoherty14)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 9:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/140 "2017-04-18T09:16:10Z")
Awh jeez, that would suck 😛
You could be right, i generally have no idea… i have always been an Xbox gamer until my bro moved away with the console! not before he got me hooked on this game, so i joined steam and got even more hooked… but jeez louise, i thought Call of Duty 4 was bad with cheats 😮 haha
should have said GTA, would have been a better analogy 😛
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### Author:  [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 1:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/141 "2017-04-18T13:48:27Z")
It seems to me that after reading all of the responses from the last 24 hours, not only is policing account sharing difficult, it may be completely undesirable.
What this tells me is this:
As long as achievement in this game is weighted SO heavily towards time spent, the playing field will NEVER be level.
Therefore, we’re faced basically with 2 different choices:
1. Limit the amount of time that everyone can play, just like other F2P games with daily gating. I’m certainly not in favor of this but it would end the account sharing instantly.
2. Base achievement in the game on some other quantifiable value. This one is really hard. Skill would be an obvious choice IF the ability to win weren’t simply an afterthought with the way the game engine is now.
There doesn’t seem to be an easy solution. I can certainly understand why people aren’t in favor of policing account sharing. I also understand that many people, myself included, don’t have that luxury and shouldn’t be penalized because we can’t compete with those that do.
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### Author:  [@MineralsMan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/MineralsMan)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/142 "2017-04-18T13:50:08Z")
> [@htismaqe](#):
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> Limit the amount of time that everyone can play, just like other F2P games with daily gating. I’m certainly not in favor of this but it would end the account sharing instantly.
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> Base achievement in the game on some other quantifiable value. This one is really hard. Skill would be an obvious choice IF the ability to win weren’t simply an afterthought with the way the game engine is now.
Isn’t that what GW is doing? Only 5 matches a day and points are based purely on skill not speed.
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### Author:  [@Aelthwyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Aelthwyn)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 1:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/143 "2017-04-18T13:54:03Z")
> [@htismaqe](#):
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> Therefore, we’re faced basically with 2 different cThere doesn’t seem to be an easy solution. I can certainly understand why people aren’t in favor of policing account sharing. I also understand that many people, myself included, don’t have that luxury and shouldn’t be penalized because we can’t compete with those that do.
There certainly is some account sharing and it is a complicated and interesting debate but, as @turintuor and others have pointed out, the main problem right now in the top of the leaderboard is about botting, not sharing accounts.
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