# PvP rankings are a joke
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)
**Created:** [April 16, 2017, 9:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677 "2017-04-16T09:37:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/186 "2017-04-18T20:57:42Z")
As for bad rewards payout on ranking, i think a gem key for every 1000 PvP points earned would be great. Those players putting in their time to achieve higher points would get decent amounts of gem keys even if they dont reach those glorious top 100 spots. And for someone doing 5-10k points it would be 5-10 gem keys. Nothing economy breaking but still decent.
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### Author:  [@sdoherty14](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sdoherty14)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/187 "2017-04-18T21:20:50Z")
Thats the best idea i have heard all day !
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### Author:  [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/188 "2017-04-18T21:23:06Z")
I am glad you like it. I had that on my mind for quite some time.
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### Author:  [@sdoherty14](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sdoherty14)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/189 "2017-04-18T21:24:42Z")
The Dev’s will probably implement this, but change it to a Glory Key instead hahahaha
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### Author:  [@AeroCloud](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AeroCloud)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/190 "2017-04-18T21:34:47Z")
You mean gold key
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### Author:  [@beanie42](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/beanie42)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/191 "2017-04-18T21:41:08Z")
Just to be clear, I too think there are bots. My point is simply that we don’t know how many bots there are, these are all just guesses. And the assumption that these players need to be in a guild (and we should have 1000 guilds) is assuming they should all be together. My guess is more players play solo or semi-solo, and there are a bunch of guilds with only 3 or 4 people. The other side of all this math is how likely is it that 90% of the active players in the games are bots when the rewards are so pointless. And how likely is it that the devs would ignore the problem at that scale? There’s too many possibilities and too many unknowns. Simply restating the same unproven assumptions with the disclaimer that “if you’re smart” or “if you think about it” doesn’t make them facts…
Anyway. I know I’m in the minority on this desire for proof and facts, so I’ll probably just spectate now. This really is doubleplusgood reading though!
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### Author:  [@Verdugo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Verdugo)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/192 "2017-04-18T21:52:42Z")
Calm down there, man! You’d MAYBE get some major traitstones 🕶
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### Author:  [@Namour](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Namour)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/193 "2017-04-18T23:22:52Z")
Just an idea, but don’t we as an active player base have the ability to capture the names of these players & guilds of these 30,000+ 500 match players?
I’m thinking that towards the end of the week, we could scroll through our own battlelogs and start listing this info for all these high volume players.
I can only assume they are in guilds because it is very very rare to find someone in your battle log who has ‘none’ as their guild. Usually, these are just people in between guilds who are known to the forum users.
It’s early morning, so perhaps I am not thinking right. But could this work?
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### Author:  [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2017, 11:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/194 "2017-04-18T23:27:13Z")
- battle log is very limited
- if you do 200 battles (which is not little) youll see only a fraction of 30.000
- even 500 battles wouldnt be much
- in those battles you do, almost half of the opponents repeat at least once, some multiple times (which is funny, if we are getting players from such a large pool).
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### Author:  [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)
#### Post date: [April 19, 2017, 12:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/195 "2017-04-19T00:18:28Z")
The PVP leaderboards aren’t like the guild leaderboards, unfortunately. There is very limited opportunity for data-gathering, except for the brute-force option of “track every player, their rank, and their guild”. We would all enjoy the statistics of how many players in the top 40k are in guilds of what size, but that information would have to come from the developers.
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [April 19, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/196 "2017-04-19T01:19:04Z")
300 trophy is nothing i already got 1160 trophy and 5 days left
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [April 19, 2017, 1:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/197 "2017-04-19T01:21:41Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#):
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> 300 trophy is nothing i already got 1160 trophy and 5 days left
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [April 19, 2017, 1:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/198 "2017-04-19T01:22:54Z")
Is it mclovin? 🙂
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### Author:  [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)
#### Post date: [April 19, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/199 "2017-04-19T01:39:44Z")
That’s an imposter, heres the real McLovin with ID to prove it
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### Author:  [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)
#### Post date: [April 19, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/200 "2017-04-19T01:44:27Z")
@DonBoba, in the past PVP pools haven’t been very big, however last week we made them bigger. Compared to the amount of players we have, you barely see any.
Also, as a general response about guilds versus players, a lot of our high level players aren’t active in guilds. A lot of people play solo but you don’t hear from them or see them in guilds because they prefer to play on their own. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)
#### Post date: [April 19, 2017, 3:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/201 "2017-04-19T03:15:01Z")
Freaks and Geeks pre-dates Superbad by quite a bit. Interesting coincidence: Seth Rogen appears in both.
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### Author:  [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)
#### Post date: [April 19, 2017, 3:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/202 "2017-04-19T03:37:26Z")
> [@DonBoba](#):
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> By that distribution theres probably around 10.000 players doing 1000+ trophies.
I did 1000+ trophies last week and was around 25,000th.
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### Author:  [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)
#### Post date: [April 19, 2017, 3:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/203 "2017-04-19T03:44:02Z")
@Stan
Hey, thanks I looked it up. I know a poposterous amount of useless stuff but that show got by me, guess you learn something every day 🙂
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### Author:  [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)
#### Post date: [April 19, 2017, 4:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/204 "2017-04-19T04:53:43Z")
Thanks for chipping in on this topic.
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### Author:  [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)
#### Post date: [April 19, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-rankings-are-a-joke/22677/205 "2017-04-19T05:02:14Z")
That’s what I’m here for! ✌
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