# PVP Change Notes July 24th 2024
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490
**Category:** Official News
**Created:** [June 24, 2024, 2:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490 "2024-06-24T02:24:11Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 5:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/407 "2024-07-08T17:37:36Z")
> [@Stratelier](#):
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> Unfortunate that you couldn’t necessarily build a team immune to Web then (like putting Tesla on the team) …
yeah, its very hard to play around a bug that you weren’t expecting to happen.
Its also very hard to play Tesla when the restriction is Silverglade.
Very likely it was just this bug I ran into:
> [@\[Investigating\] Summoning troops in pvp reapplies pet bonuses?](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-summoning-troops-in-pvp-reapplies-pet-bonuses/84304):
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> iphone: What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened: Playing in pvp, specifically Bay of Stars blood frenzy. Whenever a troop is summoned (in this case primarily from King Avelorn), teams are getting multiplicative armor/attack/life bonuses every time a troop is summoned. It can be small increments, but I’ve also seen buffing of 50 skill points or higher per summon. How often does this happen? When did it begin happening?? Happens every time a troop…
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### Author:  [@Tresk](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tresk)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 6:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/408 "2024-07-08T18:55:52Z")
> [@Dwuemka](#):
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> Well, after reading your post, I assumed you want a “level playing field for everyone, whatever their account progression”.
No. lol I literally said the opposite. And HAVE been saying the opposite, pretty much non stop. In fact the original comment this is all chaining off of is…
> [@Tresk](#):
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> This game is absolutely sick with things to do. It’s actually a problem for people… too much to do in the game.
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> I want to ask an honest question in good faith. Because I really want to understand what I’m not getting. How is it balanced, in a progressive game like GoW, for players at all stages of progress to achieve the same thing?
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> If where you are at in the game progression does not matter at all, then why care about where you are at? And what of all of those people who spend cash, to get farther in the progression faster? What would entice them to do that, if progression doesn’t matter?
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> New players have plenty to do. Early gamers have plenty to do, mid gamers have plenty to do. Late gamers even have plenty to do. End gamers have pretty much blood frenzy pvp to get deeds, to progress more for…ummmm ::chirp chrip:: more blood frenzy pvp?
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> To me the game is easy to dabble in all modes, as it should be. To dig deeper and do harder stuff you need to progress your account. That’s literally the game. If we are all just equal from account creation on? Then what are we even doing?
You even put a like on it. 🤣 🤦♀️
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### Author:  [@Stratelier](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stratelier)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/409 "2024-07-08T20:06:14Z")
> [@gow](#):
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> Just look at global leaderboard for God’s sake. What else do you need?
Sure, thanks for at least pointing to a source that other people can check for themselves, which was kind of what I really wanted to know.
Now I am on Switch, but a random check on our leaderboards at this time shows the top 100 having earned at least 1770 VP (across at least 15 battles), with the top 10 having at least 16.4k across 90 or more battles, with a 5:1 ~ 10:1 ratio of their attack teams being faced (win or loss) on defense.
Though, this does not speak for _which_ regions they were battling, which teams they were picking from the PVP pool to challenge, nor what attack team they used to gain their wins. Therefore, we can infer no obvious correlation between the global leaderboard and Wand of Stellarix Prismatic Diamantina teams. The top player has currently clocked over 500 battles in the 13 hours since reset, while the lowest number of battles (among the top 10) is currently just 90.
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### Author:  [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/410 "2024-07-08T20:31:49Z")
I think the switch playerbase is tiny tho
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### Author:  [@gow](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/gow)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 8:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/411 "2024-07-08T20:39:29Z")
> [@Stratelier](#):
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> Sure, thanks for at least pointing to a source that other people can check for themselves, which was kind of what I really wanted to know
So I did a little work myself and pulled data from Tarans for week of 6/10 for PC/mobile (just way before the wand change) and the win rate for top 100 is 89.6%. 75 percentile is 92.3%. if 90% win rate is still considered bad for some people then I am speechless. You see the issue here? Those are the ones that either are too new or they don’t have Stella or they just don’t know how to play properly. Like someone mentioned (and by the way is a great point), this game is a progression game. Not everyone can do the hardest contents by nature and design. If everyone can earn the hardest rewards equally easily then there is something wrong with the design. We are living in the world where people feel they are entitled to everything (everyone is a winner yay sound familiar?). It would be humiliating to people who have either spent lots of time or lots of money advancing their account to have the same results as someone who just started say a week ago?
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### Author:  [@Kezef](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kezef)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/412 "2024-07-08T22:10:45Z")
> [@becauseican646](#):
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> I don’t understand why the devs give so much power to a small group of fragile players that already had OPTIONS to play easier battles if they couldn’t handle the hard ones.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease. The silent majority gets bupkus.
The developers might have made the change just to try and shut up the naysayers, even though history tells us that the naysayers are seldom satisfied by anything for a long enough period of time to matter. They’re much more likely to pocket what their outrage has gotten them and then to move the goalposts to the next thing that offends them to try and get _that_ changed, too.
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### Author:  [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 10:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/413 "2024-07-08T22:22:41Z")
> [@Stratelier](#):
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> Is this an actual bug?
> Asking seriously.
yeah… normally this bug isn’t a problem, but the troops in Silverglade are bad overall. mana generation, scaling damage, etc.
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### Author:  [@Tresk](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tresk)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 11:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/414 "2024-07-08T23:27:34Z")
> [@Stratelier](#):
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> > [@gow](#):
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> > You are the minority here. Most end gamers have no issues with Stella wand
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> Okay, prove it. Give us confirmed raw numbers oh wait you don’t actually _have_ them to support the claim by, especially as “endgamers” (whales and otherwise) trend in the minority to begin with.
I’m not entirely sure I can call myself an end gamer (L-1572, KLs around 15, KPs all over but strong collection, so maybe I am?) definitely not a whale. I have no issue with Stella/Wand other than the boringness. That is really a thing for me. But it will be boring no matter what the meta team ends up being.
I only do blood frenzy and/or citadel battles. Solid 87% win rate during stella/wand times. Because I didn’t want to be bothered doing the buffs. While you can’t know what other people on the leader boards and ladders are fighting, you can sort of tell by their vp to battles ratio. That crazy naga is scarier than Stella.
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### Author:  [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2024, 4:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/415 "2024-07-09T04:15:37Z")
Whelp this is what i was afraid of. Did 200 battles today…and i have someone that will do more than me. Never had this problem with the stellarix difficulty gate. Looks like im not getting first this week.
Pvp is back to “who has more time?”
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### Author:  [@Lanfeust](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lanfeust)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2024, 2:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/416 "2024-07-09T14:43:36Z")
Isn’t that the point of the game? If you invest more time and play more, you get more prizes and rewards, right?
I believe that if you are looking for a sophisticated strategy game where you can be successful with little effort but brilliant strategy, then you should look for a sophisticated strategy game and not a match 3 game.
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### Author:  [@Raistlin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Raistlin)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/417 "2024-07-09T16:24:39Z")
> [@Lanfeust](#):
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> If you invest more time and play more, you get more prizes and rewards, right?
As long as lower level players get 2x the VP as me, it doesn’t work that way. I rarely see battles over 50 VP.
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### Author:  [@Stratelier](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stratelier)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2024, 1:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/418 "2024-07-10T01:29:36Z")
> [@Sylwani](#):
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> Pvp is back to “who has more time?”
Wasn’t it always that way to begin with?
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### Author:  [@Dwuemka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dwuemka)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2024, 5:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/419 "2024-07-10T05:19:52Z")
> [@Stratelier](#):
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> > [@Sylwani](#):
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> > Pvp is back to “who has more time?”
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> Wasn’t it always that way to begin with?
It was… for global LB. Except this rather short period where you could be on top of your 30-people bubble without gemming your brains out for 1000 or more battles per week 🤣
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### Author:  [@DracoL1ch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DracoL1ch)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2024, 8:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/420 "2024-07-10T08:35:37Z")
1000/week? thats rookie numbers
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### Author:  [@Dwuemka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dwuemka)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2024, 8:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/421 "2024-07-10T08:39:58Z")
> [@DracoL1ch](#):
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> 1000/week? thats rookie numbers
Well, for me more than 400-500 PvP battles / week is the level where gemming begins to interfere with real life, and on some weeks I can’t do even that many, and I stop much lower than that. So, to me, these are not rookie numbers - these are the numbers that would require resigning from real life to play GoW, and I refuse to do that.
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### Author:  [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2024, 1:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/422 "2024-07-10T13:22:56Z")
Nope. Stellarix was a difficulty gate in blood frenzy
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### Author:  [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2024, 1:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/423 "2024-07-10T13:23:51Z")
I guess im in a lower bracket or something because i used to be able to win with 200-250 battles. This week im at 415. Not happy
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### Author:  [@Dwuemka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dwuemka)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2024, 1:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/424 "2024-07-10T13:44:17Z")
> [@Sylwani](#):
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> I guess im in a lower bracket or something because i used to be able to win with 200-250 battles. This week im at 415. Not happy
A few examples from my guild, from before Stellarix & Wand getting removed from PvP.
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### Author:  [@Raistlin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Raistlin)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2024, 1:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/425 "2024-07-10T13:45:39Z")
I’m over 500 and struggling to stay in 3rd. The whole 30 people bracket system is severely flawed. Why can someone come in 1st in their bracket with 10k VP, while other brackets have people going nuts??? They should just have VP tiers to get the GMs. Screw them in their “break the economy” argument. Better yet, give us a better way to get books and you can keep your GMs.
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### Author:  [@Sylwani](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sylwani)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2024, 1:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/pvp-change-notes-july-24th-2024/84490/426 "2024-07-10T13:58:56Z")
Yeah id agree. I dont know what determines what bracket people have. I dont think its fair i can win with 200 battles while others need over a thousand
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