# Punishing Journey nerf incoming
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835
**Category:** Spoilers
**Created:** [January 8, 2024, 9:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835 "2024-01-08T09:30:09Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@TheTruth](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheTruth)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 10:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/82 "2024-01-09T10:48:02Z")
Will this be , weres the extra vault event riot
Or a rng dragon egg riot.
Or a weaver gate riot šš.
Iām sure the Devs are quaking in there pants, over the for coming possible riot š
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### Author:  [@panda-zebra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/panda-zebra)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 10:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/83 "2024-01-09T10:48:21Z")
> [@TheTruth](#):
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> Very invested grumpy old players.
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> That paid into the game for 8 and half years, with money and time.
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> So the new , I want everything now, without working for it properly players, could play this game.
Iāll try to reply to this before you make 3 more posts. But you played a match 3 game for 8 years, you didnāt fight for your country š¤£ š š¤£
What Iām saying is, the kinds of people who sit on here posting hour after hour are _not_ your average payers and players, pander to them at every turn and youāll have happier forums but miserable actual players.
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### Author:  [@TheTruth](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheTruth)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 10:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/84 "2024-01-09T10:49:44Z")
Iv actually only played 2 and half years.
But Iām thankful to the so called whales , I donāt diss them at every turn.
So I can earn my f2p badge š
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### Author:  [@TheTruth](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheTruth)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 10:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/85 "2024-01-09T10:51:44Z")
Also Kafkaās post, over changed incoming.
Has ten likes Upto now, from the forum, that donāt speak and know the truth about journey troops.
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### Author:  [@Darklord1](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darklord1)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 11:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/86 "2024-01-09T11:04:35Z")
@Dwuemka you missed the point of my post. I donāt doubt you see them in the central spire but to say they are a prescribed defence is not correct as you donāt select a defense team unlike the old PvP. In the old version someone specifically selected the defense team which is nolo ger done. That is why I am saying they are not a defense team. Maybe semantics but thatās what I was getting at.
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### Author:  [@Dwuemka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dwuemka)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 11:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/87 "2024-01-09T11:04:50Z")
> [@sylverscale](#):
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> So your solution is to destroy other (usually lower level) playersā enjoyment of pvp? š
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> No one will ever be fully happy, no matter what happens with the journey troops.
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> But if they nerf the ones that are already there and that people have spent real money and shiny keys on, oh boy are we in for a riot.
We had King Gobtruffle nerfed a while back, and several other troops changed/re-balanced during various kingdom reworksā¦ people were unhappy, but then adjusted. The game is only better for it, not worse.
One other thing: most problematic journey troops (Chalcedony, Seekra, Todd) were not and are not eligible for shiny upgrades, though, as they were released before shiny was a thing.
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### Author:  [@Dwuemka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dwuemka)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 11:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/88 "2024-01-09T11:05:44Z")
> [@Darklord1](#):
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> @Dwuemka you missed the point of my post. I donāt doubt you see them in the central spire but to say they are a prescribed defence is not correct as you donāt select a defense team unlike the old PvP. In the old version someone specifically selected the defense team which is nolo ger done. That is why I am saying they are not a defense team. Maybe semantics but thatās what I was getting at.
It doesnāt change the fact that they are there, and I still keep getting 3 enemies, and each of the 3 is a loopy journey team. So, people are using these troops there on attack with reckless abandon, which turns them into defense troops.
They may not set them consciously and deliberately as defences, but here we all are, fighting them over, and over, and overā¦ This new PvP system will get rid of SOME of the annoying defences (because they are simply too annoying / too slow to use on attack), but the journey loopers werenāt touched by that.
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### Author:  [@Jerry\_the\_skunk](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jerry_the_skunk)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 11:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/89 "2024-01-09T11:36:43Z")
The last serious attempt to prevent the same couple of defense teams appearing everywhere was the introduction of the Elementalist class, which was geared against pretty much every optimised strategy present at the time.
It worked very well in that regardā¦
I can imagine, if they really went for it again nowadays, theyād introduce a hero class, that kills a random enemy troop every couple of enemy extra turns.
My trust in a development team, who neither read player feedback nor participate in the game, and whose only reliable feedback are spreadsheet numbers, is very limited.
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### Author:  [@Malcolm](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Malcolm)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 5:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/90 "2024-01-09T17:29:04Z")
Donāt have a problem with the Journey troops in PvP, I beat them a lot more often than the beat me. If they were infallible everyone would use them in Guild Wars but none of the meta teams use them and all of the best Guild Wars teams will beat a journey/ looping team most of the time.
The only thing that needs fixing is the dreadful scoring. Youāre blocking out a lot of the game to anyone outside a top tier guild. If I wasnāt in one thereās no way Iād persevere with the already arduous grind.
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### Author:  [@sylverscale](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sylverscale)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 5:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/91 "2024-01-09T17:38:11Z")
> [@Dwuemka](#):
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> We had King Gobtruffle nerfed a while back, and several other troops changed/re-balanced during various kingdom reworksā¦ people were unhappy, but then adjusted. The game is only better for it, not worse.
What else are people to do? I have stopped using Gobtruffle, the Night Spider team, and Skeleton Key.
Does that make the game better?
Iām not even using journey loop teams unless I need to like for journey but Iām also not asking for changes to stuff that others enjoy because I donāt. Thatās my point. Your argument was āI donāt like itā. There are certainly valid arguments but you not liking something doesnāt matter for the game.
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### Author:  [@sylverscale](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sylverscale)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 5:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/92 "2024-01-09T17:39:11Z")
Or maybe itās just the hole that the scoring system will get an overhaul thatās long due.
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### Author:  [@ekkusu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ekkusu)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 6:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/93 "2024-01-09T18:20:06Z")
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### Author:  [@ANGI](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ANGI)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/94 "2024-01-09T18:34:17Z")
so much this!
like the epic weapon for mydnight or i could list dozens of cases here, where we post before sth happened and nothing changed, even not after the event is gone!
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### Author:  [@Dwuemka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dwuemka)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 6:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/95 "2024-01-09T18:55:00Z")
> [@sylverscale](#):
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> Iām not even using journey loop teams unless I need to like for journey but Iām also not asking for changes to stuff that others enjoy because I donāt. Thatās my point. Your argument was āI donāt like itā. There are certainly valid arguments but you not liking something doesnāt matter for the game.
You still donāt understand meā¦ Itās not that I donāt like using them myself (it is true, I donāt, but thatās a different issue, I donāt have the patience for them, as they hit with wet noodles; casting the same troop over, over, and over again is boring), I hate losing to them over, and over, and over, and over again. Somehow, for the AI, the loop never seems to break, but in the rare cases that I use such troops myself, I keep losing the loop after a few casts, usually 3 or 4 at most, leaving all the mana for the AI. This not balanced.
Someone mentioned GW and that nobody uses journey loopers in this mode - you are so wrong. Maybe your enemies didnāt use them, but I lost to these loopers in GW enough times throughout last year, after getting one (literally: one) move in and the AI took over the loop and didnāt stop until all 4 troops on my team were killed, to make me hate them even more. Again, this is not balanced.
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### Author:  [@TheTruth](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheTruth)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 7:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/96 "2024-01-09T19:07:27Z")
Seekra is all over the guild wars defenses.
Iv seen it loads, dunno weāre the other guy is playing. His guild wars.
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### Author:  [@TheTruth](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheTruth)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/97 "2024-01-09T19:09:51Z")
Only thing I will say is
Thereās lots of troops, that were around pre shiny keys.
That got shiny buffs, so thereās a big possibility eventually thereās more, from pre shiny keys.
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### Author:  [@Jerry\_the\_skunk](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jerry_the_skunk)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 7:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/98 "2024-01-09T19:20:14Z")
> [@Dwuemka](#):
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> Someone mentioned GW and that nobody uses journey loopers in this mode - you are so wrong.
From my feeling, 75% of all guild war defenses have some kind of book setup. Much more efficient in this mode than pathfinders, and way easier to protect from freeze.
Would someone maybe reduce _those_ things in strength, while weāre at it?
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### Author:  [@Dwuemka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dwuemka)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/99 "2024-01-09T19:29:53Z")
> [@Jerry\_the\_skunk](#):
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> From my feeling, 75% of all guild war defenses have some kind of book setup
Depends on the bracket youāre in and the exact players you are facing. Seekra + Orbweaver is very popular; but before Seekra - 90% of purple teams were either A.Weaver+L&D, or purple book teams. Iād say itās maybe 40% for Seekra, 30% each for the other two types. But, true, your mileage may vary.
Iām not a fan of the books either, once AI gets going (especially in GW, where enemy of a given colour is guaranteed), it rarely stops before killing at least 3 troops.
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### Author:  [@GXELAGM](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/GXELAGM)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/100 "2024-01-09T19:31:40Z")
Maybe they can make pathfinders ābrokenā only in journey events? š They could buff the pathfinders like they buff raid boss and invasion captains? Or they could give out event medals like they do in WE? Just one option.
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### Author:  [@TheTruth](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheTruth)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 7:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/punishing-journey-nerf-incoming/82835/101 "2024-01-09T19:51:48Z")
Itās like your missing the whole point on purpose.
Books are strong in gw defenses, but only gw defences.
Journey troops are taking over
PvP
Raid
Doom
Underspire
Class event
Guild wars defences, below top ten brackets were books are.
The issue about the journey troops is there overused outside of journey, and they werenāt made for that to be the case
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