# \[PREVIEW\] 5.0.0 Update Breakdown and Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Spoilers\ **Created:** [July 7, 2020, 7:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597 "2020-07-07T07:05:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 9:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/123 "2020-07-08T09:33:58Z")
Is there any additional insight regarding the purpose of the exclusive Heart of Rage troop that Elite Pass owners get? ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/d/8/d8a6e12206e14d2704baedea7384456d3b645591.png) Legendary troop, spell looks useless, traits look useless, doesn’t benefit kingdom power. Any chance this might be required for some crafting recipe, like the next Zuul? ---
**Author:** ![Rhissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d26b3c/32.png) [@Rhissa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rhissa)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 9:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/124 "2020-07-08T09:35:28Z")
I find it almost amusing how bracket 1 players whine about the artifacts stat points in GW. As a player who has started this year I am “out-bonussed” from kingdoms by a much greater difference almost every time in bracket 13. It was fairly easy to get kingdoms lvl 10 and 5 stars, but after that I have no other option than to play for months or even years to overcome this disadvantage. And yet they whine about a mini stat bonus for 4 weeks. Just LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/125 "2020-07-08T09:48:08Z")
> [@Rhissa](#): > > And yet they whine about a mini stat bonus for 4 weeks. It’s a team based event that is played very competitively in top brackets. Just think of it as a Super Bowl where those teams that pay extra are allowed to use doping. While it might not make much of a difference it makes a significant enough difference to influence the outcome, which sort of kills the idea of a fair skill-based competition. ---
**Author:** ![Rhissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d26b3c/32.png) [@Rhissa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rhissa)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 9:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/126 "2020-07-08T09:57:51Z")
So if you want a Super bowl analogy: You whine that you can’t compete in Super Bowl because you’re wearing slippers and the other team has bought proper football shoes? ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 10:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/127 "2020-07-08T10:08:10Z")
> [@Rhissa](#): > > So if you want a Super bowl analogy: You whine that you can’t compete in Super Bowl because you’re wearing slippers and the other team has bought proper football shoes? No, they “whine” because the organizer has added a fee for wearing any shoes, if you don’t pay up you have to attend bare footed, no matter which shoes you already own. ---
**Author:** ![Rhissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d26b3c/32.png) [@Rhissa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rhissa)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 10:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/128 "2020-07-08T10:19:39Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#): > > No, they “whine” because the organizer has added a fee for wearing any shoes, if you don’t pay up you have to attend bare footed, no matter which shoes you already own. This is just plain wrong. You can use all your existing stats, all your existing mythics. You can earn everything new with time and effort. This is fair and has not changed. Yep, people paying money will get it first. Just like in the past ?five? years. You are just complaining that you can’t getting everything immediatly for free. Gosh, what a cruel world! ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 10:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/129 "2020-07-08T10:54:48Z")
> [@Rhissa](#): > > So if you want a Super bowl analogy: You whine that you can’t compete in Super Bowl because you’re wearing slippers and the other team has bought proper football shoes? I mean, yeah. A football player wearing slippers would be nowhere near as competent as a player wearing proper shoes, so the hypothetical other team would gain an advantage from purchasing the gear. ---
**Author:** ![anon43026234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@anon43026234](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/anon43026234)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 10:59am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/130 "2020-07-08T10:59:44Z")
The game needs a major change to bring fresh air. I dont know what it could be…maybe something like battles with 5 troops against 5. When I read about the 5.0, it looks more like the last squeeze of the lemon. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 11:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/131 "2020-07-08T11:08:47Z")
> [@Rhissa](#): > > You can use all your existing stats, all your existing mythics. You can earn everything new with time and effort. This has been the principle the game was built on so far. No matter whether you spent money, time or a mix of both, you could earn everything. > [@Rhissa](#): > > This is fair and has not changed. Yep, people paying money will get it first. Just like in the past ?five? years. This part is incorrect. People paying $125 a year won’t get the extra stats first, they get the extra stats exclusively. No matter how much effort the people not paying $125 spend, they won’t ever get this specific stat advantage. Which, by the way, exactly matches the definition of [Pay-to-win](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play#Pay-to-win). ---
**Author:** ![Mina1101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/97f17d/32.png) [@Mina1101](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mina1101)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 11:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/132 "2020-07-08T11:19:09Z")
I’m curious when the update will only be released on July 14th or earlier. It would be nice to know something specific because everyone is excited. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 11:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/133 "2020-07-08T11:39:31Z")
> [@mitamata](#): > > I’m pretty sure tasks to skip specific troop will be aligned with world events. So for example, on the week when you get “kill 20 Grey Kings”, there will be a world event running that includes battles with Grey King. Similar for “win battles with troops from kingdom X”, the world event that week will be limited to using troops from that kingdom. We (particularly I) specifically asked about this in the Beta, and were told they couldn’t guarantee this. 😕 I’m hoping it will be the case, but remains to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![Goodly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/73ab20/32.png) [@Goodly](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Goodly)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 11:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/134 "2020-07-08T11:47:51Z")
I agree that Guild Wars has a special place in the game, but I wouldn’t say it would make many people quit if it only engages players the top 30 guilds at best. “You don’t have to do it” is technically true but almost all of the top B4-B15 guilds still shove you to play even if they don’t care about competing. Maybe we can argue that’s the GM’s responsibility though. ---
**Author:** ![Sytro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df788c/32.png) [@Sytro](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sytro)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 11:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/135 "2020-07-08T11:51:11Z")
@Fourdottwoone They will have that stat advantage for a max of 5 out of 10 campain weeks: | week | free pass(max points) | elite+ pass(max points) | diff with stats\* | | --- | --- | --- | --- | | 1 | 100 | 120 | 0 | | 2 | 200 | 240 | 0 | | 3 | 300 | 360 | 0 | | 4 | 400 | 480 | 0 | | 5 | 500 | 600 | +5 life | | 6 | 600 | 720 | +2 magic | | 7 | 700 | 840 | +2 magic | | 8 | 800 | 960 | +3 Attack | | 9 | 900 | 1080 | +5 life | | 10 | 1000 | 1200 | 0 | Campain weeks 5 to 9, will be those where elite+ **might** have adventage, so basicaly 1, maybe 2 GW weeks. But these players wont have that advantage permamently, they will have to pay to sustain it. Also this stat advantage wont be HUGE\*-\> 5 life, 3 attack or 2 magic… '\* based on the stats given in this thread ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 11:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/136 "2020-07-08T11:54:10Z")
> [@5.0 Stream Discussion thread (unofficial)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/5-0-stream-discussion-thread-unofficial/64610/89): > > Whats funny is that if asked if I’d have paid $1 a week just to play the game, period, the answer would probably be yes. The answer if I’d play for free but pay $1 for a better reward schedule based on the gameplay during that time, also yes. But when it presented to me in a way where it is “pay or else you’ll fall behind” it not only not makes me want to pay but it kind of erodes my attachment to “staying ahead” in the first place. Putting rewards on the paid track that are simply impossibl… xpost here on the chance it gets buried in the other thread ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 11:59am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/137 "2020-07-08T11:59:16Z")
> [@Sytro](#): > > Campain weeks 5 to 9, will be those where elite+ **might** have adventage, so basicaly 1, maybe 2 GW weeks. Meaning there is at least one GW week where paying money gives you an exclusive advantage over players not paying money. In a game mode with the only purpose of teams competitively fighting against each other. Pay to win. > [@Sytro](#): > > But these players wont have that advantage permamently, they will have to pay to sustain it. Meaning it’s not even a one time payment, it’s targeting players willing to regularly drop money for an advantage over those that don’t pay. Pay to win. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 11:59am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/138 "2020-07-08T11:59:58Z")
Those stats are incorrect. If I remember right it’s 20 life - 5 armor - 6 attack - 6 magic. Every campaign will have different artifact stats evidently. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 12:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/139 "2020-07-08T12:00:39Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > Those stats are incorrect. It’s the extra stats you temporarily get when paying $25 for the Elite+ Pass. Over those that only own the Free Pass or Elite Pass. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 12:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/140 "2020-07-08T12:02:56Z")
Cool. Then there’s no incentive to do more than $10. 🤷‍♂️ The advantage seems to be less than what people get from maxing out sentinels. Which even in bracket 1. Not everyone does. So maybe Saltys right. The difference is super marginal all in all. Since E+P can only ever be a compound of 20 stars over free pass each week. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 12:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/141 "2020-07-08T12:11:58Z")
I’ll be honest… originally I was on the understanding that the stat bonuses would be exclusive to the players who buy passes. But thanks to @Sytro I can’t believe there’s this much discussion over such a low amount of stats. There’s probably players in my guild last GW who have 10-20 less life than me due to my kingdoms being max starred and there’s aren’t. Or I have a higher renown. Or I have more level 15 kingdoms. Ridiculous folks. Honestly ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![OwlRightyThen82](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/owlrightythen82/32/50342_2.png) [@OwlRightyThen82](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/OwlRightyThen82)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 12:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597/142 "2020-07-08T12:33:43Z")
Many players think that if they lose a Guild Wars match that it will be due to their opponent buying elite pass plus. Now imagine the player that buys elite pass plus and think they can’t lose, and then they lose. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597.md?page=6) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/preview-5-0-0-update-breakdown-and-discussion/64597.md?page=8)